Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.
It and I were both 20 then…
Kirk: "someone check.out the compartment above me, I hear a man and a woman talking."
Anyone order a whole bunch of cereal?
This is my final post on TrekBBS. Long story. And it's too bad it had to come to this, but irreconcilable differences combined with the fact that I no longer feel comfortable posting here have led to this decision.
For my last post, I'll say what I said in my first post back in 1999. I don't think the next Star Trek should be a copy of a copy of a copy. I thought it just as much 22 years ago as I do today. That's why I enjoy Discovery and Picard. That's why I may look forward to SNW, but I don't think I'll like it as much. Star Trek should branch out. To different times, different places, different circumstances, and even not on a Federation Starship. Not just repeating planet-of-the-week adventures of the Enterprise over and over and over again. It might be fun for a little while, but it's just going where we've already been before.
Signing off. If you want to contact me, do it over PM, and I'll give you my email address. Otherwise, I'm done with this place. Over and out.
EDITED TO ADD (7/24/21): Guess I had one more in me. We'll see about from here. Never say never, but no promises.
Is it a controversial opinion that Tribbles isn't in my top 10 TOS episodes? I think it was, 30 years ago. Maybe overexposure. I even wince a little when a tribble shows up in a new Trek product.
Jellico was a good battlefield Captain and Starfleet produced very few who were better. He was just a lousy peacetime Captain.
I’ll go you a step further: he was a damned sight better officer than Riker. To flip out over changing the watch bill and other matters within the captain’s prerogative shows just how right Picard was.
Riker was overrated as an officer. He was a great guy, but just like Kirk was a shitty Admiral it's fair to point out that Riker just wasn't the best bridge command materiel. I know, I know, he eventually got the Titan and helped Picard's Enterprises out of several scrapes but let's not fool ourselves: Riker's the guy you want to hang out with, not necessarily serve under.
Did Jellico save the Federation from the Borg?
No, he did not.
Jellico was like George S. Patton. In wartime he had few peers and you wanted his kind to be at the head of your offensive. After the surrender you pretended he wasn't in the room and wasn't saying the shit he did.
Jellico was just an asshole.
It wasn't his fault. The entire Jellico/Riker plotline in those two episodes is a contrived conflict that falls apart in any larger story context. So Cox is playing a thinly-motivated character who's required to exhibit a great deal of inappropriate truculence, and Riker's set up to be a jerk in other ways that make little sense either.
Fair enough; but he was not nearly as bad as Captain Zarlo and his incessant nuke malfunction drills. “Get it done,” indeed.
I read the comic at some point, but based on this recap, I had forgotten how much “Chain of Command” resembled it.
Forget Picard and Pike, give me Star Trek: Zarlo
He shares a lot with Lt. William Bligh, R. N. Neither really understood why the crew failed to respond to their commands.
Flogging round the fleet might have made a comeback.
With the Jellico storyline, I think it gets off on the wrong foot because Riker clearly is pissed he was passed over for command. So that colors his view of Jellico.
but really, I side more with Jellico than I do with the crew of the Enterprise. Jellico is an asshole sure but the crew can’t expect every Captain is going to run the ship just like Picard. He could have given just a bit and his assessment of Riker was maybe off a bit. But in the end…he is the Captain now.
Riker routinely turns down promotions like candy while leaving a diet clinic and then gets all huffy when Jellico comes in to take command of the 1701-D. I know Frakes didn't always get the most sympathetic writing but that was an example where he comes off as a dick who doesn't like someone else sniffing around on his territory.
Riker in command = defeated Borg invasion.
I mean, y'all just have to dance around that one.
No. Data saved the Federation.
With an assist from Picard. Riker was ready to just ram the Enterprise into the cube.
There was no Picard. Riker planned and directed the kidnapping of Locutus, directs Crusher and Data to access and retrieve information from Locutus about the Borg's vulnerabilities, then orders him to plant a directive in the Borg group consciousness using Locutus as the conduit. As Data attempts to do so, Locutus finally utters one word, "Sleep," which Data correctly intuits to be a suggestion of the command that should be implanted.
You can call that "an assist from Picard" in order to diminish what Riker and his crew accomplished if you like, but as I already said, you're dancing around what happened in an attempt to make Jellico look like something other than an insecure idiot.
Not Ronnie Cox's fault, but the writers. Trek often ignores the ongoing context of its stories in order to have something happen and people behave in some unlikely way for a single episode, and then just as quickly forgets that one, too.
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