What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Firebird]

The context though is obvious. A movie made in the 1930's is going to have some racist and sexist tropes. I mean I don't think it's to hard to figure out with even a basic understanding of that time period and if people are learning about history from context labels instead of books or just about anything else then we are really fucked. I mean I figured this stuff out as a kid in the 1980's without any content warnings. Even kid me knew the Mammy character was racist. That the North fought the South to end slavery.

That is the insulting part. They must think people are to stupid to figure these things out on their own. Yet people have been doing it forever without content warnings. People are smarter than they are giving them credit for or should be, anyways.

Nope. That’s a rather myopic and entitled viewpoint.

If you would actually watch the video from Stewart I posted up thread, you’ll understand just exactly why these content warnings are necessary, especially when trying to make classic films more accessible for audiences that aren’t white people who grew up in the 20th century.

 

[Richard S. Claus]

I think it is ultimately the reason to watch Deep Space Nine.

I don’t often rewatch DS9 for some reason, but I watched this one recently and it’s fun.

Would have liked to have seen more of the Vulcans in it.

 

[SantaEddie74]

They're definitely the only a-hole Vulcans we've seen in the continuity since T'Pring and Stonn in TOS (if one doesn't count Sybok). ENT had a lot of them, but those are from earlier in history. Smug, bigoted Vulcans in the late 24th century were definitely a change of pace.

 

[fireproof78]

I don't know. Vulcans on TNG were definitely mixed, and definitely had some smug ones.

 

[SantaEddie74]

That's fair. The aide to Sarek helping him with his emotional control.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I still wish Song of the South would get re-released, but Disney has probably burned all the original copies and buried the ashes in a hermetically sealed vault 100 feet under EPCOT Center.

I actually remember seeing it the theater sometime in the late 70s/early 80s on a double bill with another Disney movie; although, for the life of me, I can't remember a damn thing about either movie.
Only that I saw them.

 

[SantaEddie74]

SNL was doing all-black cast member homages as recently as the year 2000.

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[Tallguy]

BTW I know Thanksgiving was last week but I should have mentioned that I'm thankful for the mods that put up with this thread.

 

[Campe]

My wife and I are making our way through all of the Best Pic Winners. This summer, we watched Gone With the Wind. I’d never seen it before. No matter how many times I tried to remind myself that it was a product of a different time and whatnot, I still found it to be a deplorable film. A beautifully shot film, but deplorable nonetheless.

To bring it back to Trek, some of the early mysoginistic and racist mindsets seen in some of the very early TOS (The Cage, Mudd’s Women, for instance), are on the same page. I find those viewpoints deplorable as well.

And again, I have to remind myself (and trying to keep politics out of it): product of a different time.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Nope. That’s a rather myopic and entitled viewpoint.

If you would actually watch the video from Stewart I posted up thread, you’ll understand just exactly why these content warnings are necessary, especially when trying to make classic films more accessible for audiences that aren’t white people who grew up in the 20th century.

I think people who aren't white would especially know that things were racist and sexiest in the 1930's. Do they really need a content warning to explain that? Also who doesn't understand that all movies and tv shows are products of the time in which they were made?

 

[FormerLurker]

I have for over 35 years now been frustrated at people who complain louder and more often about Uhura's miniskirt than they do about Mudd's Women.

 

[1001001]

I think people who aren't white would especially know that things were racist and sexiest in the 1930's. Do they really need a content warning to explain that? Also who doesn't understand that all movies and tv shows are products of the time in which they were made?

Sexiest?

Move on. Last time I’m going to tell you.

 

[tomalak301]

I have for over 35 years now been frustrated at people who complain louder and more often about Uhura's miniskirt than they do about Mudd's Women.

I remember the first time I saw Mudds Women. At the time it was a lauded episode but I hated it. It was dumb, as well as everything else wrong with it. If there was one thing that pleasantly surprised me about new trek it was Rain Wilson’s Mudd. Way to redeem that character. I wish Strange New Worlds would bring him back.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

I don’t often rewatch DS9 for some reason, but I watched this one recently and it’s fun.

Would have liked to have seen more of the Vulcans in it.

I think I have came up with my list of top 20 DS9 episodes.

1 The Emissary
2 Duet
3 Necessary Evil
4Whispers
5 Blood Oath
6 The Wire
7 Improbable Cause/The Die is Cast
8 Explorers
9 The Way of the Warrior
10 Take Me Out To The Holosuite
11 Rules of Engagment
12 Nor the Battle To the Strong
13 The Assignment
14Trials and Tribble-Ations
15 DoctorBashit, I Presume
16 Empok Nor
17 6-parter that opens season 6
18Change of Heart
19 Inquistion
20I n the Pale Moonlight

Not only that but I still say that season 2 is the shows best season.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

Sexiest?

Move on. Last time I’m going to tell you.

Meant sexist but I agree we shouldn't talk about it anymore.

 

[SantaEddie74]

"Duet" is just near-peak Berman Era Trek. There are DS9 Season 1 episodes I skip or never finish rewatching, but "Duet" is not one of them.

 

[suarezguy]

I really don't mind that Nemesis didn't reference Worf having returned to the crew/Starfleet, no longer being an ambassador, don't think it should be expected to, it was 3 years after "What You Leave Behind" and even that episode only abruptly, casually had him becoming an ambassador and suggested it would probably not last long.

 

[Jason X-Mas]

"Duet" is just near-peak Berman Era Trek. There are DS9 Season 1 episodes I skip or never finish rewatching, but "Duet" is not one of them.

Heck I think season 1 of DS9 is also underrated. I feel like the first two seasons of DS9 are the show at it's most natural state. What I mean by that is it reflects the vision of the kind of show I feel like they people who made it, wanted it to be like. In season 3 they sort of moved away from Bajoran stuff and added the Defiant and then came Worf and the Dominion and eventually the Dominion War. All done, very well but it's not exactly the kind of show I think Berman and PIllar had in mind when they created it.

 

[SantaEddie74]

I love DS9 more than any Trek series save for TOS, but yeah, agreed on Berman and Piller's original vision and gameplan for the series radically changing by the additions of the Dominion and Worf. Season 2 of the series is amazing.

 

[Starflight]

I really like the first two seasons of DS9 as well, there were a lot more writers working on it, much fresher ideas, it still feels distinctly like Star Trek, and the show still cared about the reconstruction of Bajor.

"Explorers" is where I stopped on my last rewatch, it's a lovely episode that works well as a finale to the first three seasons (that can count as a controversial opinion for the thread, I guess).