What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

[Phoenix219]

He actually was in the background more then people think, and really wasn't the focal point or barely appearing in most episodes. I was really surprised on a rewatch. The legend doesn't quite live up the the reality, like Kirk's womanizing.

I will say this, I didn't even REMEMBER him getting promoted or a real uniform! And after he got it, he just sits there like a generic helmsman like anyone else in a redshirt lol.

I'm just about to start S4 proper, and still feel like this is a great place to stop. (Family.)

 

[Farscape One]

I was about to say Leslie talks....but he rarely does.

"Phasers standing by, sir."
"THE ALTERNATIVE FACTOR"

(choking sounds)
"OBSESSION"


He was a man of few words. Morn was a chatterbox. (Unseen, of course.)


By the way, I do appreciate Mr. Leslie greatly. I just think he does have serious competition for MVP.

 

[cooleddie74]

He did give Kirk some lip when they were all affected by the Omicron Ceti III spores and lined up outside the transporter room to beam down to the planet. But yeah, not much dialogue.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Penis, Penis, What is Penis?

Needs to be plural

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I was about to say Leslie talks....but he rarely does.

Whereas Morn just never shuts up.

 

[Forbin]

LOL ... April O'Neil who plays Counselor Troi is a huge science-fiction fan, and she's perfect playing Troi.

That's the only scene I've seen. I mean, that my friend has seen. He says.

 

[Forbin]

I was about to say Leslie talks....but he rarely does.

I saw him do a speaking part while at Sulu's post the other day. The Naked Time maybe? Oh my, he just had a couple of lines and he was awful.
Shut up, Leslie!

 

[Commander Troi]

LOL ... April O'Neil who plays Counselor Troi is a huge science-fiction fan, and she's perfect playing Troi.

She also does cosplay. She's a Big Damn Geek.

 

[Mojochi]

Picard makes the wrong call in Clues. You trip into Paxon space. The wormhole schtick fails cuz Data. You order Data to conceal the truth, cuz death. It fails cuz you naively banked on Data being a believable liar. So you just clean up a little better & order him to do it again?

That's just bonkers. #1. That's far from a guarantee. Some of the coverup is likely impossible to obscure 100%, like Worf's broken arm, & the records tampering. #2. You're never coming back, so who cares WTF the jerks threatening your lives want? #3. This actively flies in the face of our hallowed duty to truth.

You've spent the whole ordeal carrying on about Data never being trustable again, but then force him to keep the secret anyway. Fortunately he's emotionless, because he should resent the hell out of that. This deal is super unfair & inconsiderate to him.

Plus, IMHO it's completely unnecessary. You can very likely just go along with the Paxons in making them think you're concealing the truth from the crew again, but somehow make it known to Data that he's to fess up, once they're all safely away from there. It's probably safer if it's known anyhow, as they'll be in a better position to quarantine the place, & prevent further unwitting travelers from getting screwed with there.

The only reason to leave it like they did was to give the Paxons what they wanted over a duty to truth & respect for his crew. It's not a violation of the Prime Directive to deny them their anonymity, if you're going to leave them be anyhow. They'll remain unaffected, in ignorance that they were exposed. Hell, they'll probably be better off with less potential traffic.

 

[at Quark's]

Picard makes the wrong call in Clues. You trip into Paxon space. The wormhole schtick fails cuz Data. You order Data to conceal the truth, cuz death. It fails cuz you naively banked on Data being a believable liar. So you just clean up a little better & order him to do it again?

That's just bonkers. #1. That's far from a guarantee. Some of the coverup is likely impossible to obscure 100%, like Worf's broken arm, & the records tampering. #2. You're never coming back, so who cares WTF the jerks threatening your lives want? #3. This actively flies in the face of our hallowed duty to truth.

You've spent the whole ordeal carrying on about Data never being trustable again, but then force him to keep the secret anyway. Fortunately he's emotionless, because he should resent the hell out of that. This deal is super unfair & inconsiderate to him.

Plus, IMHO it's completely unnecessary. You can very likely just go along with the Paxons in making them think you're concealing the truth from the crew again, but somehow make it known to Data that he's to fess up, once they're all safely away from there. It's probably safer if it's known anyhow, as they'll be in a better position to quarantine the place, & prevent further unwitting travelers from getting screwed with there.

The only reason to leave it like they did was to give the Paxons what they wanted over a duty to truth & respect for his crew. It's not a violation of the Prime Directive to deny them their anonymity, if you're going to leave them be anyhow. They'll remain unaffected, in ignorance that they were exposed. Hell, they'll probably be better off with less potential traffic.

Even with a Data as adept at lying as an experienced human, I think it would have been difficult to come up with a convincing cover story given all those traces. And the 'fooling the Paxons into thinking you're going ahead with their plan' probably never was an option. I bet Wesley made them all pinky promise that Starfleet wouldn't start lying when he left.

(But I agree that it'd probably be the most realistic solution. Even so, better make d*mn sure the Paxans believe you. They're the kind of extreme xenophobes that that'd sooner kill off the entire crew than running the risk of someone possibly finding out what happened and telling that to others) .

 

[Mojochi]

Even with a Data as adept at lying as an experienced human, I think it would have been difficult to come up with a convincing cover story given all those traces. And the 'fooling the Paxons into thinking you're going ahead with their plan' probably never was an option. I bet Wesley made them all pinky promise that Starfleet wouldn't start lying when he left.

(But I agree that it'd probably be the most realistic solution. Even so, better make d*mn sure the Paxans believe you. They're the kind of extreme xenophobes that that'd sooner kill off the entire crew than running the risk of someone possibly finding out what happened and telling that to others) .

That they were willing to go along with the plan of ordering Data to conceal the truth at all is rather hanky. They don't know him any better than the others. How could they guarantee Data's silence any more than the other 1000? Those Paxans are pretty gullible IMHO. So yeah... I'd have just played along with the scheme as planned, & then just slipped Data some backdoor instructions somehow, to fess up to the whole story, once we're safely at a distance.

 

[drt]

LOL ... April O'Neil who plays Counselor Troi is a huge science-fiction fan, and she's perfect playing Troi.

She must be, her pseudonym is a Teenage Mutant Nija Turtles character.

He actually was in the background more then people think, and really wasn't the focal point or barely appearing in most episodes. I was really surprised on a rewatch. The legend doesn't quite live up the the reality, like Kirk's womanizing.

He was Gene Wesley Roddenberry’s Gary Stu, presumably once Gene got too ill to contribute to TNG, Wesley got marginalized because the rest of the production wasn’t all that interested in him as a character.

 

[Nyotarules]

I'm watching DS9 The Maquis, were the viewers meant to be sympathic to their cause? Well I think they were troublemakers. Space is vast, UFP resources are not scarce. Go move away from the Cardassian area, somewhere else. The Maquis are like the old time European colonists/pioneers/invaders who were attacked by the indigneous peoples, but want their former nation states to protect 'their land'.

 

[at Quark's]

I'm watching DS9 The Maquis, were the viewers meant to be sympathic to their cause? Well I think they were troublemakers. Space is vast, UFP resources are not scarce. Go move away from the Cardassian area, somewhere else. The Maquis are like the old time European colonists/pioneers/invaders who were attacked by the indigneous peoples, but want their former nation states to protect 'their land'.

The only ways I could understand those Maquis is either when they'd sunk decades of work in developing those colonies already, and then had to start all over again, making them very reluctant to do so, or when they felt some actual (spiritual) connection to the land, and the soil of no other planet would do. (Like on earth when some groups believe their spot of land is sacred and cannot simply be exchanged for another spot).

 

[Gul Sengosts]

I'm watching DS9 The Maquis, were the viewers meant to be sympathic to their cause? Well I think they were troublemakers. Space is vast, UFP resources are not scarce. Go move away from the Cardassian area, somewhere else. The Maquis are like the old time European colonists/pioneers/invaders who were attacked by the indigneous peoples, but want their former nation states to protect 'their land'.

Yeah it's regularly presented like it's the most normal thing in the world to colonise everything you see without question, even close to warlike hostile empires. Reminds me of how a Jem'Hadar visits DS9 and hands over a list of Bajoran colonies in the Gamma Quadrant that they wiped out and Kira looks shocked like you couldn't see that coming. They've told us to get off their lawn and they've shown that they don't f*ck around, so what did you expect? Seriously...

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Yeah it's regularly presented like it's the most normal thing in the world to colonise everything you see without question, even close to warlike hostile empires. Reminds me of how a Jem'Hadar visits DS9 and hands over a list of Bajoran colonies in the Gamma Quadrant that they wiped out and Kira looks shocked like you couldn't see that coming. They've told us to get off their lawn and they've shown that they don't f*ck around, so what did you expect? Seriously...

In the Dominion's case, that was them introducing themselves for the first time. "Hi, we've never met but we've decided you were in our territory so we've killed all your people. Also our territory is now everything on this side of the wormhole we've just found."

The Federation stays off lawns as a rule, they even set up neutral zones around the lawns to make sure everyone stays off each other's grass, so for them to just casually continue using the wormhole even after that episode makes me think that the Dominion basically just tried to claim that the moon is part of their back yard and no one's buying it.

 

[Frontis]

I'm watching DS9 The Maquis, were the viewers meant to be sympathic to their cause? Well I think they were troublemakers. Space is vast, UFP resources are not scarce. Go move away from the Cardassian area, somewhere else. The Maquis are like the old time European colonists/pioneers/invaders who were attacked by the indigneous peoples, but want their former nation states to protect 'their land'.

I like the Maquis as rebels who don't say Amen to everything the Federation tells them.

 

[fireproof78]

The only ways I could understand those Maquis is either when they'd sunk decades of work in developing those colonies already, and then had to start all over again, making them very reluctant to do so, or when they felt some actual (spiritual) connection to the land, and the soil of no other planet would do. (Like on earth when some groups believe their spot of land is sacred and cannot simply be exchanged for another spot).

All hail the nonreplicated tomatoes.

 

[Macintosh]

I would have preferred a story like Yesterday's Enterprise, where the "A" is removed from Star Trek VI and the results are a never-ending war with the Klingons. The movie eventually returns the "A" (with some TNG members along for the ride) to the events of VI, and Kirk saves the day again, but dies in the process. Thus bringing to life the quote, "there will be no peace, as long as Kirk lives." He gives his life to cement peace with the Klingons. That is really the only version of him dying that I would be okay with. They should have just left him, Scotty and Spock together at the end of Generations, alive and well in the 24th century. It would have made Scotty's ending less lonely, as well.

They should have put the script for "Yesterday's Enterprise" in a safe somewhere until they were ready to do a TNG movie. If it had to be a crossover then there wouldn't have been a better plot... just sub the Enterprise-A for the Enterprise-C and you're there.

 

[Ogrebear]

Discovery should have been set in 2390, that way the tech makes sense, the ship design makes sense, the experimental propulsion system makes sense.

You can even keep a Spock by making him Ambassador Spock’s grandson.

The Klingons went into isolation post Dominion War and have only just emerged and there is a radical, fundamentalist sect in charge who start a war.