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Ways Kirk could still be alive

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jayrath

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Kirk is dead.

Or not? How many ways can we find that would allow the captain to be returned to us (and to the upcoming movie)?

To kick things off:

* Guinan was wrong. He was in the nexus, is still in the nexus, will always be in the nexus -- and can always come out again. (How the hell did she become boss of the nexus, anyway?)

* After they sang "Life is but a dream" around the campfire, everything after TFF was just that: an extended dream sequence. Ain't no Sybok (whew!) and Kirk is still snoozing in the woods, ready to awaken for new adventures.

* Q brought him back.

* Trelane brought him back.

* Sargon brought him back.

* Guardian of Forever, or other time travel, saves him.

* In TUC, it was actually the chameloid who came back; Kirk is still on the prison planet.

And my favorite:

* Flint's immortality was actually some strange virus, and Kirk caught it kissing their mutual robot love!

:) Other ideas?
 
Kirk's twin brother was the one that died. Kirk is still alive...somewhere.
There's been no mention before that Kirk's twin existed because he felt that Jim was always Mom's favorite. Twin ran away from home at a very young age and refused to acknowledge the Kirk family as his own..
 
TWINS? In Star Trek? Preposterous! No one in Star Trek has twins.

Except for Data's two twins, Picard's clone and future self, Kirk's evil half, the Voyager doctor's many programs, Riker's transporter split, the entire mirror universe . . .
 
The simplest way to bring him back is to remember that for 60 years, Kirk WAS alive. We've only seen a few years' of his life and even then, not necessarily all of the important events that happened during those years.

Was alive, what am I saying. Will be alive. His whole life is just sitting there for people to write stories about. We don't even know the half of it yet - sixty years is short-ish by our standards, but I'm sure Kirk filled it up like nobody else.

Personally, I've always been interested in his childhood and adolescence. How long did he stay on Earth? Even in our time, growing on a farm is an unusual lifestyle - what was it like in 23rd C? Why did his parents leave for the Tarsus IV colony? And the whole Tarsus IV thing...you could make a pretty interesting TV series about Kirk before he'd ever set foot at the Academy.

Other than that, let's see Evil Kirk from the MU. :D He was such a charming fellow and we got so frustratingly few scenes with him.
 
jayrath said:
* In TUC, it was actually the chameloid who came back; Kirk is still on the prison planet.
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But the chamaloid got vaporized by the Klingon warden. :klingon:
 
Temis the Vorta said:
Other than that, let's see Evil Kirk from the MU. :D He was such a charming fellow and we got so frustratingly few scenes with him.
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As someone who has watched that episode an unhealthy number of times, I can assure you that Mirror Kirk had exactly one scene - where he berates Spock and is put in the brig.

Anyway; anything can bring Kirk back. But are there any interesting stories to tell abut the septugenarian spacehero to justify it?
 
Kirk never left the Romulan ship in "The Enterprise Incident", rather the Romulans planted a counter-agent who provided vast amounts of data to the Romulan Empire until his "death" on the Enterprise-B.

The Romulans never learned of their agent's actual death of course, being as how Picard was the only living witness to it.
 
If time has no meaning in the Nexus, then one need only go back to the Nexus. Kirk will be in there, and you just leave with him again. This time, don't bring him into a life-threatening situation. Perhaps a hot tub party or something.
 
In GEN, Kirk refused to help Picard, who followed him through an upstairs door that lead to a barn where he finally convinced Kirk to come back with him. This was all a delusion. Desperate for his help, the Nexus created a false Kirk who was more agreeable, for the benefit of Picard. Kirk is still in his home, enjoying life with his lost love.
 
sbk1234 said:
If time has no meaning in the Nexus, then one need only go back to the Nexus. Kirk will be in there, and you just leave with him again. This time, don't bring him into a life-threatening situation. Perhaps a hot tub party or something.
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Sounds like fun... :thumbsup:
 
My idea for how Kirk comes back
Picard gets in some situation where he's on a planet and he's about to be killed by a load of angry Kilingons. Picard can't talk his way out of it, and there is absolutel no sympathy for him. There is no one who can help him. No ship to beam him up. No tools he can use. Picard is definitely about to die.

Suddenly, out of thin air, Kirk appears and between them they overpower the Kilingons and escape.

Picard asks where Kirk came from and Kirk explains that he was in a heavenly place called the Nexus. For a long, long time he was quite happy there, but he eventually he decided it was all meaningless and decided to leave forever. And when you leave the Nexus, you can go anywhere and any when, so Kirk chose to go somewhere where he could fight and make a difference.

Picard is puzzled, because he recalls going to the Nexus, meeting Kirk and leaving the Nexus with Kirk. He wonders why the two have such different memories.

Ultimately, Guinan has the answer. Guinan is (in traditional style) aware of both realities. She explains that Kirk did leave the Nexus to fight Soran, and Kirk is supposed to be dead. But because Soran's attempt to destroy the star was thrwarted, the Nexus passed over the planet — consequentially, neither Soran nor Picard ever really entered the Nexus. Consequentially, Picard never met Kirk in the Nexus, and never took Kirk with him. So Kirk never died at all, in real life. He only died in a reality that ceased to exist.

In short, Kirk's death was paradoxical. It both happened and could never have happened. Which reality takes precedence, or which is remembered by whom, is up to the creators to have fun with. But I say Kirk is equally as much alive as he is dead.

Simple, huh? :D
 
It was his Nexus "reflection" that was killed - he is still chopping wood... or cooking... or something...

So when Spock realizes that Kirk is still in the nexus, he hijacks the Ent-E, modifies the shields by reversing the polarity and rescues Kirk from the Nexus. However, in the rescue attempt, they end up going back into the past and changing all of history by accidentally landing on Berman & Braga at Paramount studios, killing them a year before Generations is concieved...

Kirk lives! :rommie:
 
Kirk only pretended to be dead to get away from that synthenol sipping bore Picard, and taking advantage of the medical knowledge he gained doing the "Groundhog Day" routine in the Nexus, he whipped up some of that "triox compound" that McCoy used on him on Vulcan when he was fighting Horny Spock.

By faking his own death, Kirk avoids a galaxy full of Paternity suits, being recalled by the now PC Starfleet, and being stuck in the Nexus where there is no time, but no women or Saurian Brandy either.
 
ryan123450 said:
jayrath said:
* In TUC, it was actually the chameloid who came back; Kirk is still on the prison planet.
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But the chamaloid got vaporized by the Klingon warden. :klingon:
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Section 31 beamed her away at the last minute, like they did with Sloane in "Latin Latin Latin Latin (Deep Breath) Latin Latin."

PDX Trek said:
It was his Nexus "reflection" that was killed - he is still chopping wood... or cooking... or something...
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By "or something" you obviously mean screwing Butler and playing fetch with Antonia.

Wait, did I switch that around... no, that's right.
 
Temis the Vorta said:


Personally, I've always been interested in his childhood and adolescence. How long did he stay on Earth? Even in our time, growing on a farm is an unusual lifestyle - what was it like in 23rd C? Why did his parents leave for the Tarsus IV colony? And the whole Tarsus IV thing...you could make a pretty interesting TV series about Kirk before he'd ever set foot at the Academy.

Other than that, let's see Evil Kirk from the MU. :D He was such a charming fellow and we got so frustratingly few scenes with him.
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His Uncle Owen wouldn't let him leave until the new droids worked out....
 
He can come back by Holodeck, Nexus, Guardian of Forever, or his clone was the one we saw in Generations.
 
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