Watching DS9 all the way through (for the first time ever)

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  1. Ometiklan

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    Wow, I think this is the first time I have ever seen anyone say they don't like or don't believe the Bashir/O'Brien relationship!

    As for Brooks and Ferrell, just check out the post-DS9 commentary, like the stuff for the upcoming documentary or "The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years", Behr and the other producers only have praise for the two actors as far as I have seen. Nobodies perfect, but they seem eminently valued if not straight up liked.
     
  2. Bad Thoughts

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    If you read Fifty Year Mission, there is a strong sense of camaraderie, perhaps stronger than on TNG, but it was among the writers.
     
  3. Ometiklan

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    I did read it, which was why I was mentioning it. I think it showed some camaraderie between the staff and actors, though not as much as within groups (like you mention, the writing staff) because they were often separated by their jobs. The appreciation for the actors also comes through more strongly in other media, like the special features and the documentary stuff (interviews, etc.).
     
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    Sorry, I wasn't speaking directly to you, but to the thread in general. Certainly, their was a lot of respect between the actors (except perhaps not for Farrell), but that they found the work physically and emotionally challenging. What tended to divide them was their acting styles. JG Hertzler tells a story about the filming Far Beyond the Stars in which Auberjonois and Brooks got into a shouting match about what kind of anger a particular scene called for.
     
  5. BobR

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    I've been through the entire show a number of times, and every time I get near the end I get a twinge of anxiety again.

    Each time I finish the show I feel as if I have lost something. It is almost like losing touch with a group of old friends all at once.
     
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    I wonder if that shouting match was a technique to have genuine anger appear in the scene(s)?

    I totally relate to this. It doesn't feel that way with any other Trek series for me. That's not to say I didn't love the other series as well. I think the episodic nature of the other series makes it an easier pill to swallow when you get to the end. You can always visit any other episode as a rerun and it will be satisfying on its own. DS9 was built on arcs, characters, relationships and an itch to be serial, and I think that's where the sense of loss comes in. You can't just go back and watch an episode and enjoy it on its own. You can, but it's not nearly as satisfying as starting over completely and experiencing the build up all over again. But it's never the same as that first viewing experience. I'm always remembering the first time I watched the series and the emotions I felt. I'm jealous any time I find out someone is watching the series for the first time. I don't get that sense of jealousy when people watch other Trek series. It's always exciting to me when people watch any Trek, but this series was incredibly touching. And there is such a painful desire to know where these characters went from the finale. I'm curious what happens to characters in other series, but it's just tons stronger with DS9. I know people will disagree with all of that, but the good thing is I KNOW there are others who relate! :)
     
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    No, it was a genuine argument about how much anger Auberjonois should portray as Pabst, although it is possible that Brooks was trying to provoke Auberjonois in order to get what he wanted.
     
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  8. Ometiklan

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    I can see Brooks doing that, he seems like a very intense person. And I can see Auberjonois arguing vehemently as he seems to really care about the craft of acting too.
     
  9. BobR

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    So good to know I'm not alone.

    This may be controversial, but for me Enterprise probably comes next in terms of engendering nostalgia. Not as strong, but it is still there. I'm sure we all relate to the different shows in our own ways.
     
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    One way to look at that, is the actors were passionante about doing the scene in the way they each felt was best.
     
  11. cwellslovell

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    Its funny because in my humble opinion DS9 is the only one of the ST series that actually improves with distance and time from its original airing. TNG has that perfectly distilled utopian Rodenberry vision and I think even more than TOS is what he most wanted Trek to be but can sometimes seem, sadly, naive today.

    VOY and ENT can be seen as compromised by Berman, Braga era where large cultural commentary was sacrificed to formula and ratings reviews often.

    But DS9, probably because of Moore, has this weird vibe to it that for our time only becomes more and more relevant. When I watch it and realize that it ended two years before 9/11 and yet is entirely about the societal conflicts that we grapple with in the post 9/11 world... it really is an incredible accomplishment.

    Moore took so much of that into BSG but by that point was in direct conversation with these issues in real time. I think the most incredible part about DS9 is what it is saying religious extremism, political blowback, melting pot cultural sensitivity, contextual rule bending, race relations, all of the stuff that reads so differently from its original airdate til now, but it was trying to anticipate and warn. Trying to grapple before the A's of current events followed the Q's of the series.

    I agree it isn't always the most seamless of ST series in terms of repeat watching navigability. But in terms of enduring rewards and emotional impact it is a height of artfulness and empathy that I think ST might never reach again.
     
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