Wasn't Denora Pel the same sort of monster as Krell Moset?

[Guy Gardener]

Harvesting, vivisection and nonhippocratical sentient lifeform experimentation.

Blokes can forgive a girl with a pretty face most anything.

How did Neelix feel about this lady wofting about Voyager when its a safe bet that she had in her time removed a few thousand tonnes of lungs out of wandering strayward space fearers? Or what about Durst's Friends... I'm really unsure why B'Elanna gave Doctor Pel a bit of her brain when she should have been stabbing the woman in the throat after enquiring if she had extracted "faces" off people before?

How many unfortunates, mow many thousands of of those monkeys might have been quartered while still living during the development of the technology to fix up Chakotay and the Captains bug bite?

So there's a complicity in accepting medical tech off the Vidians that makes Janeway to a degree responsible for everyone else they have and will murder in their fight against the epidemic blighting their people.

So two questions.

1. Shouldn't Janewy have chosen to stay marooned rather than accept a cure from the Vidiians?

2. How can the Doctor be in love with a sociopath who is continuing to perpetuate monstrous acts daily and maybe even hourly that would place the girl in the company of men like Mengele or Colonel Green. Surly this is one holochubby he can ignore, or do badgirls just get him hot under the collar?

 

[DonIago]

It's been quite a long time since I've seen the episode, but I was under the impression that Pel had generally not engaged in her species' tendency towards involuntary surgery, and in fact that a not-insignificant number of Vidiians felt the same way. It's a shame we didn't get to see that aspect of their society more often.

Also, given that Moset intended to sterilize the entire Bajoran population (per the novels), I think it's safe to say Pel was less of a monster. At minimum the Vidiians seemed to do things on an individual level rather than causing destruction on a global scale, and sterilizing a species would seem to actually run counter to their objectives.

 

[Anwar]

Most of the Vidiian people didn't know about the organ thefts, if I remember correctly. In fact, in the very first Vidiian episode it was implied that it was just those two Vidiians who were stealing organs that later became the plot point of their entire species.

Pel was a normal Vidiian Doctor who treated other Vidiians.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Pel was a doctor. If she was unwilling to preform a multitude of popular procedures hardly no bugger would be interested in her as anything but surplus to requirements. I recall DEnora being sad about what her people had to do, but it's probably a "sensation" as binding as in the same way that it's sad that the meat on our dinner plates used to be moocows and chickens. It's sad that animals are butchered but fuck it, they taste delicious. It's a waste of resources to send a "doctor" into space if she is not going to tow the party line when others will, maybe not as creative as Mosset, she was more a line worker in an asse... "Dissmemberment" line more so than management making policy decisions, but if she had dozens dying patients sprawled out in front of her in triage and a sack full of organs from "who knows where" that would probably save most of them, is it strength or weakness to allow her patients to die and the sacks of organs to spoil?

Besides Pel seemed tight with the same bastards who intended to reduce Voyagers crew to parts in Resolutions, who were still super pissed about the raiding party who was murdered by Janeway, because their plans to slice and dice the humans was CCed to her work station after it was decided to doublecross Voyager.

Denora is in the loop.

 

[DonIago]

If the organs have already been harvested and the original owners are no longer in any position to benefit from them? Tough call...on the one hand, at least they can still benefit -someone-, but on the other there is somewhat of an endorsement of the practices that allowed for the procurement of the organs to begin with, then.

As with the Nazis though, I'd argue that benefiting from the unfortunate (to put it mildly) means by which they obtained their knowledge doesn't have to be the same thing as endorsing it, though the line seems a bit more blurred in this case. I'm not sure I've ever engaged in a debate regarding the morality of using their research during the time period in which they were still active.

 

[Anwar]

And also, at least with the Vidiians it really is a matter of continued existence. With the Nazis and Cardassians their atrocities were motivated by hatred and imperialism, with the Vidiians it's literally "We kill them or WE die".

 

[Guy Gardener]

Which is why Janeway Killed the Swarmies to live no matter the mortality of those in their way, but it's also why not Quicksilver Janeway allowed her crew to expire rather than live on as bastard thugs.

 

[Anwar]

If they became a bunch of marauding space pirates, those same guys would've just died sooner and faster along with a bunch of other crew.