Was Trelane a Thasian?
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Charlie clearly needed no machinery to master the Thasians' powers. They simply gave him the full extent of their abilities. I don't think Trelane was anything like that - he needed technology to do what he did, and Charlie didn't.
Of course, lots of fans think that Trelane was a Q, and clearly the Q don't need machines either. So I guess it could go either way.
Of course, lots of fans think that Trelane was a Q, and clearly the Q don't need machines either. So I guess it could go either way.
How do we know that Q didn't require technology to accomplish his various tricks?
Some where in the universe there is a planet with a Krell machine that allows Q to do what he (and other Q) can do. There's nothing natural about his abilities, just advanced technology.
We know the Q don't need technology, because we've never SEEN them need it.
Trelane initially seemed "magical" as well. Quin (sp?) said that the Q were not actually all powerful, Q was scared of Guinan, and there's dialog that the Q also for some reason fear the Borg.
So, lurking in the background is evidence that the Q are not what they appear to be. We in fact don't know that the Q don't require technology.
So, lurking in the background is evidence that the Q are not what they appear to be. We in fact don't know that the Q don't require technology.
While that's true, it's also true that the Q have had more appearances than all the other all-powerful beings put together and those appearances have never included any solid evidence that their abilities might be based on technology. We also know that the Q's abilities stretch with ease across the entire galaxy, at the least. Is it reasonable to think that a single machine could achieve that? Is it reasonable to think that the Q have a secret network of machines spread out all over the galaxy which no one has ever uncovered?
Hints that the Q are not exactly what they seem could simply refer to some theoretical weakness - it doesn't have to be about technology.
Hints that the Q are not exactly what they seem could simply refer to some theoretical weakness - it doesn't have to be about technology.
I don't get this fan assumption that Q was "fearful" of Guinan, based on Guinan's weird Kung Fu hand gestures in Q Who. In fact, he looked in complete control, and could have wiped her from existence at any time, had he wanted. Guinan never demonstrated any special powers beyond sensing something in Yesterday's Enterprise. Nor did any other El Aurian. They were all nearly wiped out by the Borg. Soran, the only other El Aurian featured besides extras, seemed completely humanoid, using technology to achieve (or attempt to acheive) his ends. In fact, he had to work with disgraced renegade Klingons to get those ends accomplished.
So, no, I don't buy Q being scared of Guinan. Maybe annoyed because Guinan knows who Q is and what he is capable (or not capable of), and that she might advise Picard about Q's shenanigans, and could potentially ruin Q's personal amusement at Picard's expense. But at no point was Q in any physical danger from Guinan.
As for Trelaine being a Q, other than the two being seemingly all powerful and smart asses to the captains, there is nothing to suggest Trelaine was a Q, besides the Peter David book. I would rather think of Trelaine as a member of another advanced race. The universe is big enough to not have everyone connected by six degrees of separation, or less.
Also, the only 'evidence' I could think of of the Q being 'afraid' of the Borg, is the remark of Q in 'Q2' : 'Q: If the Continuum's told you once, they've told you a thousand times. Don't provoke the Borg!'. But we don't even know why the continuum would say that, it could be for very different reasons than fear.
(Granted, it really doesn't jibe with the way Q has been written earlier, introducing the Federation to the Borg, and in that respect I think it's a poor line. Or perhaps the intent of the writers was to show that Q had 'grown up' in a sense. But no matter how you slice it, Q2 was an ill-conceived episode, IMHO).
Judging by appearance only, Trelane's parents seemed to look more like Organians, but their attitude seemed a bit different.
The Thasian said he took his appearance from how they used to look, but even the Metrons may not have really appeared as he did.
They all seem to be energy beings, non corporeal entities. It's kind of hard to say if they are all the same or different, do energy beings come in different species?
The Thasian said he took his appearance from how they used to look, but even the Metrons may not have really appeared as he did.
They all seem to be energy beings, non corporeal entities. It's kind of hard to say if they are all the same or different, do energy beings come in different species?
