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Was Starling a Nixonian Plumber?

Guy Gardener

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Simpsons the other night tried to claim that we live in a world that can do with out words like "Nixonian". For those of you a little blank about the 70s, Nixon got into trouble for planting illegal listening devices and other Skulduggery and he called those operatives doing his dirty work, his plumbers... We know that Nixon and Starling had some sort of relationship, and even if hank wasn't involve in the black ops it's more than possible that he must have supplied the technology to listening in on all of Tricky Dicks enemys since he was 400 years ahead of the competition when Chronowerx set up shop...

Although if Nixon was using significantly advance survailence technology, it's quite possibly that maybe Watergate and other black events in that administrations tenure did not take place in ways we would fnid familiar.

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Nixon would have nothing to do with Starling because he was a long-haired hippy, as we saw when the time-ship first crashed.
 
I think if Watergate, for example, was using Starling-found future technology, they never would have been caught.
 
Hmm...Wouldn't it have been shocking if it turned out that the mysterious Future Guy from Enterprise turned out to be Nixon?

Completely random thought; sorry.
 
If he can guest star on Futurama week after week, it really shows one further dimension lacking with which the Enterprise writers punked us.

People always say I am random and insane.

http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/m.../6/63/RichardNixon.jpg/180px-RichardNixon.jpg

I pity them.

Nixon guest starred in the Assignment Earth comic form IWD a month or two back. Even though it reeked of John Byrne's asshattedness, there was still some quaint thrill within.
 
I think if Watergate, for example, was using Starling-found future technology, they never would have been caught.
Well, there's the thing. Didn't Starling display basic competence and therefore get himself ruled out of being truly Nixonian?
 
but that's another element I tried to mention in my initial post... In the alternate Time line created by Starling stealing the Aeon's technology... He could have improved Nixon's game to the point that there was no Watergate scandal and no impeachment. Of course there have been term limits to the presidency since the 50s so that means that Nixon would have served Jimmy Carter's term and LBJ would have faced off against Walter Mondale in 1980 if would have been ready for a presidential application 1/2 a decade earlier than we all knew him to think he was.

And that's why the space program was building DY-100 Freighter class star ships in the mid nineties ( a model is seen in Raine's office.)... All because Nixon wanted to be more important than Kennedy, proving the old Vulcan adage: Only Nixon could have gone to Mars.

"Father of the space program my ass."

:)
 
but that's another element I tried to mention in my initial post... In the alternate Time line created by Starling stealing the Aeon's technology... He could have improved Nixon's game to the point that there was no Watergate scandal and no impeachment. Of course there have been term limits to the presidency since the 50s so that means that Nixon would have served Jimmy Carter's term and LBJ would have faced off against Walter Mondale in 1980 if would have been ready for a presidential application 1/2 a decade earlier than we all knew him to think he was.
Um. Ford's term, you mean, with Nixon leaving office (if not otherwise arrested) after the 1976 election, and whoever might run then would serve in this alternate 1976. (Given the circumstances of that election I don't believe there's any way to guess who, Republican or Democrat, would have been nominated, much less won.)

And that's why the space program was building DY-100 Freighter class star ships in the mid nineties ( a model is seen in Raine's office.)... All because Nixon wanted to be more important than Kennedy, proving the old Vulcan adage: Only Nixon could have gone to Mars.
Well ... except that the historical Nixon never demonstrated more than a minor passing interest in the space program. If he saw it as a way to be More Important Than Kennedy, he didn't demonstrate it in setting any kind of agenda for his staff or, really, doing more than hanging around triumphs like Apollos 11 and 12. Very few --- in fact, I would say no except that I can't locate the citations for such an absolute word --- space decisions in the Nixon administration were made anywhere near the Oval Office; they were handled on lower levels and the President, essentially, occasionally briefed on what there was.

Also note that historically there were good reasons for the space program to not go on an endless Drive For Mars! after Apollo reached the Moon. First and foremost, the drive had been slowing since 1965, because it was a huge consumer of time, men, and budget, for extremely limited economic or strategic benefit and only modest (and, truth be told, dubious) prestige or diplomatic benefits. Going back to rapid increases for a goal that's decades farther in the future, given what a close-run thing the original goal was, would challenge the President's political capital for a modest and very deferred benefit.

Furthermore, by 1972 the United States was suffering economically from the effects of the Vietnam War and the Great Society spending, and the collapse of the Bretton-Woods agreement; there simply wasn't money to put into Vast New Programs. Add to that the collapse of the L-1011 and the Boeing Supersonic transport, and the worthless advice on What To Do In Space being given by NASA administrator James Fletcher and National Space Council fanboy Spiro Agnew and it's remarkable that the Shuttle was kept afloat at all. DY-100s would require a very different 1960s and 1970s in their background.
 
I don't think that Starling did care about Nixon personally. Knowing Nixon was for him a stepping stone to more success, wealth and power.

Nixon was removed from his post in 1974 or so and at that time, Starling had only began to develope what he had taken from that stranded timeship.
 
My id really got away with itself diarrhotically on this.

Nebusj said

Also note that historically there were good reasons for the space program to not go on an endless Drive For Mars! after Apollo reached the Moon. First and foremost, the drive had been slowing since 1965, because it was a huge consumer of time, men, and budget, for extremely limited economic or strategic benefit and only modest (and, truth be told, dubious) prestige or diplomatic benefits. Going back to rapid increases for a goal that's decades farther in the future, given what a close-run thing the original goal was, would challenge the President's political capital for a modest and very deferred benefit.

Although that all depends on what happened in Roswell here in our world compared to what fictional Nixon was briefed on, and probably a few other close encounters that would prove startling. Space isn't just pure science for them, it's a moat between us and them, and "them" are like used cars salesmen times 5.
 
but that's another element I tried to mention in my initial post... In the alternate Time line created by Starling stealing the Aeon's technology... He could have improved Nixon's game to the point that there was no Watergate scandal and no impeachment.

Wait, is Forrest Gump considered Canon? Because if it is then it was the use of flashlights that gave them away. Of course, it could have been the meddling of some other aleins from the future that put up some sort of hologram over his window making him THINK he saw flashlights...
 
Wait, is Forrest Gump considered Canon? Because if it is then it was the use of flashlights that gave them away. Of course, it could have been the meddling of some other aleins from the future that put up some sort of hologram over his window making him THINK he saw flashlights...
Well, in reality, the Watergate plumbers might have gotten away with it that time except that, after picking the lock to the Democratic Party's offices, they taped the latch to be flush against the door. This is an effective way of keeping the door from locking by surprise on you because it keeps the door from actually shutting.

So when the Watergate security guard came around and found the door taped that way and swinging loosely, he naturally took the tape off and closed the door.

When the President's criminals noticed this, they opened the door and re-taped the latch.

And the next time the security guard came around he suspected something was up.

There are many stretches of history dangerous to study because you keep slapping your forehead in disbelief.
 
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