Was Star trek Into Darkness Disaterous

[Avon]

that website is disasterous.

 

[Kor]

It is difficult to get more cartoonishly evil than the TOS Klingons.

Examples, please.

Kor

 

[Avon]

skeletor.

 

[Kemaiku]

Skele-Kor.

 

[The Overlord]

I thought into Darkness was okay, not great, not terrible. I think some people over inflate its flaws, its better then Final Frontier or Insurrection.

 

[Silverman]

But always remember, this is an alternate timeline - not subject to follow the same as the movies before it - they are virtually free to explore and do what they basically want.

 

[Starborn Dragon]

I don't listen to critics, and I don't understand why other people do.

Most critics are not predisposed towards science fiction or horror films and their minds are already made up before they even see the movie.

 

[Nebusj]

Most critics are not predisposed towards science fiction or horror films and their minds are already made up before they even see the movie.

... which you can see in how nine out of ten professional critics liked the most recent Star Trek movie.

 

[johnjm22]

Even though STID was a bad, dumb, and forgettable movie, I think calling it disastrous is a bit of a stretch.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Star Trek is about a socialist, post-scarcity society with an altruistic peace fleet that holds as its central tenet that all life can not only understand each other, but find a common dignity. But then they had to go and make Star Trek movies. Some of the Star Trek movies found a way to embrace the series’ essential philosophical optimism (Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country), but most opted to circumvent the ethical underpinnings.

The most recent Star Trek movie, Star Trek: Into Darkness, took a different approach. Star Trek: Into Darkness transformed the United Federation of Planets’ Starfleet into a hotbed of monstrous conspiracy, complete with terrorist slave labor, pre-emptive war, false flag attacks, and militarism. Basically, Star Trek: Into Darkness gave us the future as imagined by paranoid 9/11 Truthers.

 

[Disco]

Best Trek movie ever so no not disaterous.

 

[Rincewiend]

Well that is a bit overboard. I'd certainly say from my perspective it was a terrible movie, and I actually liked the first one alright. Of course you can always shore up any plot holes with "because... fuck you timeline!". Still as a trek fan I felt like the movie was trolling me sometimes. I'm all for getting a wider audience, but you need to do it with a little respect beyond just calling the everything the same names.

The Klingons were wearing masks people!! Masks!? On Klingons!? How is anyone going to see the scars of battle the proof of your honor if you walk around wearing masks!?

I know I know nerd rage, but that's not even going into the Lazarus tribble. Anyway.. yes terrible movie. to me disastrous means it broke the studio or something.

Everybody is entitled to an opinion, LowKey Lyesmith...

 

[Hartzilla2007]

It is difficult to get more cartoonishly evil than the TOS Klingons.

Examples, please.

Kor

The mass executions on Organia, illegally arming a primitive society and encouraging them to slaughter their peaceful neighbors, trying to poison a bunch of federation colonists.

The Klingons were wearing masks people!! Masks!? On Klingons!? How is anyone going to see the scars of battle the proof of your honor if you walk around wearing masks!?

No one cares, least of all the Klingons.

Fuck - in TOS (which is the Star Trek that the new movies are mainly based on) most of the Klingons would have laughed off the notion of "honor" altogether.

Plus its not like the TOS Romulans who were the ones all about honor thought helmets were a bad idea.

 

[Kor]

It is difficult to get more cartoonishly evil than the TOS Klingons.

Examples, please.

Kor

The mass executions on Organia, illegally arming a primitive society and encouraging them to slaughter their peaceful neighbors, trying to poison a bunch of federation colonists.

And stuff like this has been done plenty by human governments throughout history. I don't think it's cartoonish; I think it's a reflection of reality.

Kor

 

[Jeyl]

Star Trek Into Darkness being disastrous? Certainly was for me, not so much in the critical and financial department. However, the reception for JJ and his crew was anything but positive if not near what they were hoping for. The inclusion and handling of Khan has been the subject of many issues that movie goers had with the film, the random gratuitous underwear scene has actually been defended with ludicrous reasons (You see Kirk in his underwear too!) and Roberto Orci and Simon Pegg have dropped the F bomb on the fans for not liking the film.

If there was any positive energy in this new take of Star Trek that made people want to be a part of it, it's long since gone. JJ jumped ship to do Star Wars, Damon Loindelof left, Alex Kurtzman left to do Venom (hehe) leaving only Roberto Orci taking the reigns as both director and writer of the next Star Trek film. Now the man who waggles his finger at fans declaring that he's the one who gets to make movies and we don't, goes from writing and directing the next star trek film to... just producing.

And this occurs when STID ended with the promise of the 5-year mission. That's like having a new crew rebooting LOST and everyone responsible for it leaves when the plane crashes on the island.

 

[Dukhat]

Star Trek Into Darkness being disastrous? Certainly was for me, not so much in the critical and financial department. However, the reception for JJ and his crew was anything but positive if not near what they were hoping for. The inclusion and handling of Khan has been the subject of many issues that movie goers had with the film, the random gratuitous underwear scene has actually been defended with ludicrous reasons (You see Kirk in his underwear too!) and Roberto Orci and Simon Pegg have dropped the F bomb on the fans for not liking the film.

If there was any positive energy in this new take of Star Trek that made people want to be a part of it, it's long since gone. JJ jumped ship to do Star Wars, Damon Loindelof left, Alex Kurtzman left to do Venom (hehe) leaving only Roberto Orci taking the reigns as both director and writer of the next Star Trek film. Now the man who waggles his finger at fans declaring that he's the one who gets to make movies and we don't, goes from writing and directing the next star trek film to... just producing.

And this occurs when STID ended with the promise of the 5-year mission. That's like having a new crew rebooting LOST and everyone responsible for it leaves when the plane crashes on the island.

(Waits for the obligatory "agreement" posts by Pubert, Dales, and mos6507 about how right you are and that JJ Abrams is the devil's spawn for what he did to "my" Star Trek.)

 

[Smellmet]

If there was any positive energy in this new take of Star Trek that made people want to be a part of it, it's long since gone. JJ jumped ship to do Star Wars, Damon Loindelof left, Alex Kurtzman left to do Venom (hehe) leaving only Roberto Orci taking the reigns as both director and writer of the next Star Trek film. Now the man who waggles his finger at fans declaring that he's the one who gets to make movies and we don't, goes from writing and directing the next star trek film to... just producing.

Nah. The inclusion of Lin and Pegg as a writer has got me even more excited, I'm looking forward to seeing what they bring to the table both in terms of style and story. As much as I like JJ as a director, he's had a good shot and left a sound footing to base the next film on.

The people who've had spats with the fans have by and large left the project, so I couldn't really give a shit about them, as they are not part of the project any more, nor do I think they particularly did a great deal wrong in the first place, both with the quality of the 2 movies, and responding to what was basically months of sustained abuse quite frankly.

I have got plenty of positive energy for Star Trek Beyond (if that is it's title). It's the show's 50th anniversary, how could any Trek fan not be excited for this movie?

 

[M'Sharak]

Star Trek Into Darkness being disastrous? Certainly was for me, not so much in the critical and financial department. However, the reception for JJ and his crew was anything but positive if not near what they were hoping for. The inclusion and handling of Khan has been the subject of many issues that movie goers had with the film, the random gratuitous underwear scene has actually been defended with ludicrous reasons (You see Kirk in his underwear too!) and Roberto Orci and Simon Pegg have dropped the F bomb on the fans for not liking the film.

If there was any positive energy in this new take of Star Trek that made people want to be a part of it, it's long since gone. JJ jumped ship to do Star Wars, Damon Loindelof left, Alex Kurtzman left to do Venom (hehe) leaving only Roberto Orci taking the reigns as both director and writer of the next Star Trek film. Now the man who waggles his finger at fans declaring that he's the one who gets to make movies and we don't, goes from writing and directing the next star trek film to... just producing.

And this occurs when STID ended with the promise of the 5-year mission. That's like having a new crew rebooting LOST and everyone responsible for it leaves when the plane crashes on the island.

(Waits for the obligatory "agreement" posts by Pubert, Dales, and mos6507 about how right you are and that JJ Abrams is the devil's spawn for what he did to "my" Star Trek.)

Let's not make things personal, shall we?

And, since this was a dumb thread to begin with, citing a "mainstream article" which didn't even rise to the level of being a half-decent blog post, from a blogger who's got an apparent axe to grind with Orci and an inclination to pontificate on what he thinks Star Trek is about, and since something has now prompted Jeyl to recite the same old list of gripes everyone's heard from him dozens of times before (none of which have anything meaningful to do with either the blog post or anything else in this thread,) I think it's high time I pulled the plug.