WAS something actually said about "warp four"?

[gastrof]

I'm still mentally swimming from seeing the movie, but while watching it, I caught something someone mentioned the other day.

Did Chekov actually say something like "IF Mr. Scott can get us up to warp four"?

Warp four?

Was the Enterprise damaged?

Has the meaning of each warp factor (how fast it translates to) become different than anything we've known before? (Maybe like things changed between TOS and TNG, only now it's a change between ENT and XI?)

Why would he have made it sound like special effort would be needed to achieve warp four?

(And while we're at it, WHY did he say "If Mr. Scott can get us there", since Scotty had JUST come on board? Not exactly the recognized miracle worker he'd eventually be known as. No. I'm not nit-picking. I'm just trying to figure this out.)

 

[CoveTom]

Yeah, he did definitely say that, and I was wondering the same thing.

 

[Tom Servo]

I took it as the Enterprise was damaged and that she could only achieve maybe high warp 3. I figure that Chekov was suggesting that if the engineering crew could make sufficient repairs to get the ship to Warp 4, the plan would work.

Hell the ship got pretty beat up when it dropped out of warp at Vulcan. The giant saucer section they almost ran into ripped open the top of the starboard nacelle housing.

 

[Trekker4747]

I'm still mentally swimming from seeing the movie, but while watching it, I caught something someone mentioned the other day.

Did Chekov actually say something like "IF Mr. Scott can get us up to warp four"?

Warp four?

Was the Enterprise damaged?

I believe it suffered some damage during the first attack with Nero's ship.

 

[Mr. B]

Was that after the port nacelle had some of the hull scrapped off?

 

[trekker670]

Remember, the Enterprise had just been in a fire fight with the Narada and was undoubtedly damaged, so that is likely the problem. It is also possible that JJ decided to stick with the TNG warp scale, so a lower warp factor would be equal to a higher one in the traditional TOS scale.

As for Scotty, the feeling I got was that he was already an accomplished Engineer (he seemed to know a bit about the Enterprise and was allowed to transport Porthos), so it was only logical (no pun intended) for him to take over Engineering.

 

[Trekker4747]

It is also possible that JJ decided to stick with the TNG warp scale...

JJ hardly stuck with anything. I doubt he'd "stick with" something as trivial as which Warp Scale to use.

As for Scotty, the feeling I got was that he was already an accomplished Engineer (he seemed to know a bit about the Enterprise and was allowed to transport Porthos), so it was only logical (no pun intended) for him to take over Engineering.

See, this is the thing that really bugged me about this movie. Was just the "earlyness" all of these characters were brought together.

It just doesn't make sense and it reminds me of "Starship Troopers" where very young or teenager characters achieve great positions very early in their careers.

They *could* have dropped a line about Scotty having some unique engine knowledge to get the ship up to par again in the wake of the damage, but it really just seemed like a rush job and it was like.... "uhhhh. Scotty's the engieer now."

They should've ended with Pike congratulating Kirk on his "first command" and promises to have the Enterprise waiting for him when he's ready for her. The movie flashes forward five years and Kirk takes over command from Pike with Spock, etc. in tow to go his mission.

But right now, this ship is staffed mostly by "kids" not the adults we see in the series.

 

[trekkiedane]

I heard the warp four in a totally different context; warp four to Titan was the plan and I thought too bad Titan isn't the 7th moon -would have been a great hidden 47

 

[Tom Servo]

Well they are all about the same age as the TOS crew, perhaps with the exception of Chekov.

I figured that since Engineer Olsen got Red-Shirted, that Scotty because the senior engineering officer, and thats why he became chief engineer.

Remember, the reason there were so many cadets on the ship was the unexpected attack on Vulcan. Starfleet needed people to fill out the crews, so they stuck the cadet's on the ships. I am assume this is why there was somewhat a lack of senior officers aboard the ships, and of course many of the senior officers that were left died at Vulcan.

 

[gastrof]

Well they are all about the same age as the TOS crew, perhaps with the exception of Chekov...

I don't think so.

The cadets were assigned to ships due to the emergency long before they should have set foot on a starship shuttle bay, let alone a bridge.

Kirk was still only 25 in this story, and like Chekov others may have been younger still. (Still, Pavel seems to have been the youngest of "our guys", as he always was.)

 

[Trekker4747]

Well they are all about the same age as the TOS crew, perhaps with the exception of Chekov.

Are they?

The bulk of this movie (after the Kobaishi Maiu test) is in 2258, in "original canon" Kirk takes command of the Enterprise in 2264.

 

[Brent]

At least they didn't go to Warp 13

 

[Tom Servo]

Well they are all about the same age as the TOS crew, perhaps with the exception of Chekov...

I don't think so.

The cadets were assigned to ships due to the emergency long before they should have set foot on a starship shuttle bay, let alone a bridge.

Kirk was still only 25 in this story, and like Chekov others may have been younger still. (Still, Pavel seems to have been the youngest of "our guys", as he always was.)

Ah true true I had not thought of that. Yeah he was 25 wasn't he.

Well I thought the cadet thing was an extreme emergency situation, and that normally cadets would have to graduate before stepping on a starship.

Besides, Starfleet thought it was a rescue mission, not a combat one. So they may have thought that they just needed sheer manpower, rather then experts in combat.

 

[propita]

Okay, so the cadets were assigned to ships, seemingly immediately from Kirk's disciplinary hearing--without any delay. And every one of those died at Vulcan.

So which cadets? The majority of them? Can't be, because there were lots of cadets watching the drill in Frisco. The "seniors"? Did StarFleet lose pretty much the entire graduating class? Chekov was only 17, so he couldn't be a senior. So who shipped out and who stayed?

Also, Kirk finished in THREE years--wait, was he finished or was it just three years later? If he had "finished," would that mean that Bones had also--or is there a different schedule for trained doctors?

Either way, Kirk becomes Captain at age 25, not 34 (so I assume he's STILL the youngest captain). Imagine, with a StarFleet more militarized (due to the Kelvin incident earlier and now this)--and Kirk et al together so much earlier AND no Vulcan--imagine how different the Alpha Quadrant will be now? Will Picard be born? Janeway? If the Prophets manipulated Sisko's birth, will there be any change there? What about Tuvok and Vorik? If StarFleet is stronger earlier, would the Cardassians pose such a threat? So Chakotay is never a Maquis (if born)?

I want to see this new AQ.

Seven Federation ships were destroyed at Vulcan--how many were there total?

 

[IndyJones]

Kirk was still only 25 in this story, and like Chekov others may have been younger still. (Still, Pavel seems to have been the youngest of "our guys", as he always was.)

I might be misremembering, but I thought that the bar scene was 25 years later, plus 3 years in the Academy.

 

[nx1701g]

If you listened closely there was something said about one of the nacelles being damaged and the energy from it being rerouted to the shields. Maybe they couldn't get it back online in time?

 

[pookha]

Well they are all about the same age as the TOS crew, perhaps with the exception of Chekov...

I don't think so.

The cadets were assigned to ships due to the emergency long before they should have set foot on a starship shuttle bay, let alone a bridge.

Kirk was still only 25 in this story, and like Chekov others may have been younger still. (Still, Pavel seems to have been the youngest of "our guys", as he always was.)

Ah true true I had not thought of that. Yeah he was 25 wasn't he.

Well I thought the cadet thing was an extreme emergency situation, and that normally cadets would have to graduate before stepping on a starship.

Besides, Starfleet thought it was a rescue mission, not a combat one. So they may have thought that they just needed sheer manpower, rather then experts in combat.

well some of the cadets including uhura and i suspect kirk were already
lieutenants. i dont see them going that high without some ship time.
i suspect as early as their being ensigns they spend some time on ships.
but they dont get their permanent posting until they graduate.

so they could have been on ships before but possibly smaller ones and not the ones they got their posting too.

as for warp scale from something i read they are pretty much having this one be top normal of warp 8.
though the tos enterprise normally cruised at a smaller speed then that.
and yeah she got some heavy damage both from narada and hitting stuff in the debris field.

 

[WeAreTheBorg]

I file this one under "who gives a shit?"

 

[HamTard]

Okay, so the cadets were assigned to ships, seemingly immediately from Kirk's disciplinary hearing--without any delay. And every one of those died at Vulcan.

So which cadets? The majority of them? Can't be, because there were lots of cadets watching the drill in Frisco. The "seniors"? Did StarFleet lose pretty much the entire graduating class? Chekov was only 17, so he couldn't be a senior. So who shipped out and who stayed?

Also, Kirk finished in THREE years--wait, was he finished or was it just three years later? If he had "finished," would that mean that Bones had also--or is there a different schedule for trained doctors?

Either way, Kirk becomes Captain at age 25, not 34 (so I assume he's STILL the youngest captain). Imagine, with a StarFleet more militarized (due to the Kelvin incident earlier and now this)--and Kirk et al together so much earlier AND no Vulcan--imagine how different the Alpha Quadrant will be now? Will Picard be born? Janeway? If the Prophets manipulated Sisko's birth, will there be any change there? What about Tuvok and Vorik? If StarFleet is stronger earlier, would the Cardassians pose such a threat? So Chakotay is never a Maquis (if born)?

I want to see this new AQ.

Seven Federation ships were destroyed at Vulcan--how many were there total?

Kirk was probably in the graduating class. The cadets dispersed among the understaffed ships were likely only cadets in their final year. "THREE YEARS LATER" was clearly meant to show he was finishing up his training in 3 years like he said he would, since the Kobayashi Maru is a test of command competence, it likely would be done in the final year. McCoy was already a doctor before enlisting, so he wouldn't need as much training to reach a senior position. Chekov is only 17 because he's a "Russian Whiz Kid", he's meant to be a prodigy that advanced through Star Fleet faster than anyone else has before him.

The Federation likely has a ton of ships at this point, possibly due to militarization after the U.S.S. Kelvin incident. The space dock had 8 ships anchored, but the Federation encompasses over a hundred planets, many of which probably have their own space docks and locally stationed ships.

 

[HamTard]

I don't think so.

The cadets were assigned to ships due to the emergency long before they should have set foot on a starship shuttle bay, let alone a bridge.

Kirk was still only 25 in this story, and like Chekov others may have been younger still. (Still, Pavel seems to have been the youngest of "our guys", as he always was.)

Ah true true I had not thought of that. Yeah he was 25 wasn't he.

Well I thought the cadet thing was an extreme emergency situation, and that normally cadets would have to graduate before stepping on a starship.

Besides, Starfleet thought it was a rescue mission, not a combat one. So they may have thought that they just needed sheer manpower, rather then experts in combat.

well some of the cadets including uhura and i suspect kirk were already
lieutenants. i dont see them going that high without some ship time.
i suspect as early as their being ensigns they spend some time on ships.
but they dont get their permanent posting until they graduate.

so they could have been on ships before but possibly smaller ones and not the ones they got their posting too.

as for warp scale from something i read they are pretty much having this one be top normal of warp 8.
though the tos enterprise normally cruised at a smaller speed then that.
and yeah she got some heavy damage both from narada and hitting stuff in the debris field.

Uhura was still a cadet, but her mastery of languages granted her a field promotion to replace the Lieutenant that didn't know Romulan. That is perfectly reasonable.