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VOY: Spatial charges

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On board voyager, when they used the delta flyer to go inside the nebula to retrieve their subspace beacon/probe, 7 built "spatial charge" built upon low grade borg weaponry. They were basically a borg version of the federations micro torpedo.

However in following episodes, the spatial charge was a somewhat outdated FEDERATION explosive charge. A flat disk that explodes. 7, if I recall, tried to use one to destroy the voyager in an alternate timeline?

Im curious as to which is truly correct.
 
When 7 showed them the "spatial charge" miniature borg topedo weapon, the voyager crew was like "wow weve never seen something like that before"...
So how could they be clueless of such a borg device if they had a similar non self propelled version in the ships armoury?
 
The name sounds perfectly generic. There have no doubt been hundreds or thousands of different "spatial charge" models in the UFP arsenal throughout the ages, and plenty of completely alien things that fit the bill, too. They are simply things that go boom in space but aren't homing weapons or anything else specific - and they could be nukes, antimatter warheads or dynamite alike.

It's not comparable to there being two distinct uses of "coaxial warp drive" or "multiphasic shields" or such specific and individualist technobabble...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Or to be specific, the Son'a fired an isolytic burst which caused a subspace tear.
 
The Trek cultures don't appear to have any treaties banning the creation of big kabooms. Nor does there appear to be a treaty banning genocide, say (indeed, Starfleet has this General Order 24 thing that would be bad press if treaties to the contrary existed - regardless of whether GO is bluff or for real). It's just specific types of weapon that get banned: subspace weapons (whatever that means), polaric ions, etc. But those weapons aren't necessarily more destructive than the usual stuff Starfleet uses. They are simply nastier, or more unpredictable, or otherwise politically inconvenient.

OTOH, Starfleet really can't put too much faith on bans of weapon types, as it often runs to all-new aliens who have signed no bans and have their own alien ideas about what makes a good weapon...

Timo Saloniemi
 
The name sounds perfectly generic. There have no doubt been hundreds or thousands of different "spatial charge" models in the UFP arsenal throughout the ages, and plenty of completely alien things that fit the bill, too. They are simply things that go boom in space but aren't homing weapons or anything else specific - and they could be nukes, antimatter warheads or dynamite alike.

It's not comparable to there being two distinct uses of "coaxial warp drive" or "multiphasic shields" or such specific and individualist technobabble...

Timo Saloniemi
What are multiphasic shields? I know of Deflector, Metephasic, and Regenerative Shields, but how are multiphasic shields different from your standard deflector? Any special purpose?
 
I gather from VOY "Flashback" that they are simply the same as regular shields, but either rapidly tuneable to multiple phases, or then able to utilize multliple phases at the same times. Kirk never tuned his shields to match an opponent's attack, supposedly because his hardware wasn't up to it, and possibly because the science of his day hadn't even figured out yet that tuning might be beneficial.

So, what is a "phase"? It's unlikely to be the same as "frequency", or else there would be no need for two separate words. But if and when shields have a frequency (and perhaps also a frequency for the changing/"rotating" of frequency, possibly considered metafrequency), they appear to be described as waves of some sort, and waves also have a phase, i.e. a specific placement for the wavetops where frequency is the (inverse of the) distance between the wavetops.

From "The Next Phase" and "Time's Arrow" we learn that all things in Trek have a "phase", and nudging that makes the out-of-phase objects less tangible to those left behind in the normal-phase universe. Phasers also make things less tangible, sometimes 100% so! And transporters turn people into "phased matter streams" that are very intangible, going through walls and empty space with equal ease.

Perhaps this "universal phase" of Star Trek is what is being adjusted in the shields, too? Perhaps it's possible to make things more tangible than regular matter, thus creating impenetrable obstacles? Or perhaps various weapons (such as phasers!) exploit a specific band of phasedness to get past obstacles, and shields are configured to countermand that specific phase; multiphasic shields can handle several phases at a time, against multiple enemies or enemies who rotate their weapon phases; and metaphasic shields have a "phase of phase" of some sort.

Such an interpretation makes "phase" and "frequency" sound interchangeable in practice. But they need not be that in the Trek reality: weapons and shields may have both qualities, and while the latter is something the heroes and villains have learned to adjust with relative ease in the 24th century, the former is still inflexible enough that going transparent or blocking phase-ghosts are still stunning and tactically revolutionary techniques.

Timo Saloniemi
 
When 7 showed them the "spatial charge" miniature borg topedo weapon, the voyager crew was like "wow weve never seen something like that before"...
So how could they be clueless of such a borg device if they had a similar non self propelled version in the ships armoury?
Because Voyager technobabble is mindless and insipid, little more than a scattershot confusion of meaningless words and phrases thrown together at random to give the show a veneer of scientific sophistication.
 
...A proud tradition started by TOS. (In the Trek context, that is; all scifi has been doing that since the days of ol' Jules Verne.)

Timo Saloniemi
 
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