Vorik and Taurik

[Kilana2]

I didn't know where to post this, because Vorik belongs to Voyager and Taurik to TNG.
As both of them appear also in the Litverse, I post it here.

According to Memory Beta they are twins. Both were played by Alexander Enberg.

Have they ever met? Not onscreen of course, but in the novels. I don't think so.

Taurik is obviously widow and had a daughter. Where does this information come from?

Taurik is still aboard Enterprise. Vorik left the Full Circle fleet, but testified in Miral's custody mediation.

Maybe there will be a scene where both of them meet each other. In a novel it is easier done than on screen.

There are also other twins in Star Trek: Gerda and Idun Asmund. I haven't read Michael J. Friedman's stargazer novels. Obviously they served together. Later on one of them is killed.

Identical twins serving together - a good idea? Any thoughts?

 

[JD]

I can't remember any scenes of them interacting.

 

[Kilana2]

I can't remember any scenes of them interacting.

It would have been odd. On the other hand, there were the Asmund twins with their respective personalities.

 

[Christopher]

Identical twins serving together - a good idea? Any thoughts?

No reason it should be different than any other siblings serving together. Starfleet doesn't discriminate. Any difficulties in telling them apart could be avoided if they have different uniforms or department colors, or they could wear their hair differently. (I suspect this is why the Castor clones in Orphan Black season 3 all had different hairstyles even though it wasn't necessarily regulation -- so that the soldiers would be easier to tell apart.)

Although, of course, twins can be easy to distinguish once you get to know them as individuals, as crewmates would.

The problem with Taurik and Vorik, of course, is that they're in the same department and have the same rank and behave basically the same, because they were originally meant to be the same character, with the name changed to avoid its similarity to "Tuvok." Canonically, it's unclear whether they're twins (as the books have interpreted it) or the same person with a retconned name.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

they were originally meant to be the same character, with the name changed to avoid its similarity to "Tuvok."

And not to avoid paying royalties to whoever wrote the episode where Taurik first appeared?

(IIRC, Taurik was the first of the two to appear onscreen.)

 

[Therin of Andor]

Identical twins serving together - a good idea? Any thoughts?

The Delaney sisters on "Voyager".

http://en.memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Delaney_sisters

Human twins, Jenny and Megan, both assigned to Astrometrics.

 

[Christopher]

What are the odds that three members of Voyager's crew (the Delaney sisters and Vorik) would be twins?

 

[Karzak]

The galaxy is a big place. What are the odds they aren't?

 

[Dukhat]

What are the odds that three members of Voyager's crew (the Delaney sisters and Vorik) would be twins?

Actually, make that four members, since Tom Paris has an identical twin too

 

[Karzak]

Oh well by that rationale, so does Carey.

 

[Idran]

The galaxy is a big place. What are the odds they aren't?

(1-p) where p=P(three twins aboard Voyager).

Edit: Wait, no, that would be the probability that there aren't exactly three twins, but it'd allow for more than three. It'd be P(X<3) where X is the number of twins aboard Voyager.

More than that and you can't really say since the probability of two related twins serving on the same vessel isn't independent and the rate of multiple births among humans isn't constant over time.

 

[Therin of Andor]

What are the odds that three members of Voyager's crew (the Delaney sisters and Vorik) would be twins?

With so many people having "test tube babies" in the 21st century, multiple-birth rates are already rising.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Oh well by that rationale, so does Carey.

Personally, I favor an interpretation that Carey and the nameless officer at tactical from 'Justice' are the same character. I mean, why not, right?

 

[Kilana2]

What are the odds that three members of Voyager's crew (the Delaney sisters and Vorik) would be twins?

With so many people having "test tube babies" in the 21st century, multiple-birth rates are already rising.

It would also be nice to see twin brother and sister serving together. At least there are no problems of confounding them.


Identical triplets would me more fun, though.... .

I don't think that they help childless couples in the future with hormone therapy and other methods that increase the likelihood of multiples. It would be still a highter risk for the mothers.
There are still couples who have problems with having children. Mr. and Mrs. Kim, for instance.


A funny story: in two of the Voyager episodes the mispronounced Voriks name as Borak. He, he. What? Borat?

 

[Dukhat]

Oh well by that rationale, so does Carey.

Personally, I favor an interpretation that Carey and the nameless officer at tactical from 'Justice' are the same character. I mean, why not, right?

And let's not forget that Tuvok also had an identical twin serving on the Enterprise-B, even though he was human, not Vulcan

 

[Christopher]

Oh well by that rationale, so does Carey.

Personally, I favor an interpretation that Carey and the nameless officer at tactical from 'Justice' are the same character. I mean, why not, right?

And let's not forget that Tuvok also had an identical twin serving on the Enterprise-B, even though he was human, not Vulcan

Oh, let's not go there. Then we'd have to get into Number One and Chapel, the Romulan Commander and Sarek, Anne Mulhall and Miranda Jones, Ben Childress and Orfin Quinteros, Bractor and Quark, etc., and we'd be here all day.

 

[Dukhat]

Actually, my original post about Tom Paris and Nick Locarno was the point I was originally making, as an analogue to Taurik and Vorik, since they both were meant to be the same characters.

 

[Kilana2]

Actually, my original post about Tom Paris and Nick Locarno was the point I was originally making, as an analogue to Taurik and Vorik, since they both were meant to be the same characters.

Maybe Locarno was the son of Owen Paris and Julia Paris's twin sister - if she had one.

Just looked up on Memory Beta - to find something out about Locarno's fate. Let's just say, he's no longer part of the equation, as I haven't reas his story in Seven Deadly Sins.

 

[Christopher]

Actually, my original post about Tom Paris and Nick Locarno was the point I was originally making, as an analogue to Taurik and Vorik, since they both were meant to be the same characters.

Not quite the same thing, though. Paris was originally meant to be LoCarno, but they decided to make him a distinct character, not just in name but in backstory and personality -- partly because using LoCarno would entail paying royalties to his creator, but also because LoCarno was a bit too unrepentant and hard to redeem. Taurik/Vorik is more a case of using the same character, changing his name slightly, and hoping nobody would notice. (Like when The Six Million Dollar Man brought back Monte Markham's character and changed his name from Barney Miller to Barney Hiller to avoid confusion with the sitcom Barney Miller, which had premiered in the interim.) It's just the novelists who have retconned Taurik and Vorik into distinct characters. And I'm not sure that was even intentional; it's just that the respective authors of the TNG and VGR books just went on using the respective characters without reference to each other, and since those books overlapped in time, it was implicit that they were separate people. I don't think anything has ever explicitly had Taurik mention Vorik or vice-versa, or included them both in the same story, unless it's something recent (I'm way behind on my reading).

 

[Dukhat]

Taurik/Vorik is more a case of using the same character, changing his name slightly, and hoping nobody would notice.

I thought Taurik became Vorik for the exact same reason that Locarno became Paris: for the royalty issue you mentioned. Because, quite frankly, Star Trek fans notice everything.