Vonda McIntyre reference in STXI?

[soot]

Forgive me if this has been mentioned before, I haven't been around for a while.

One line that stood out for me in XI was Scott's about never having thought of space as what was moving. It rang a bell for me, and eventually I realized why. Vonda McIntyre's novel "Enterprise: The First Adventure" featured the ship encountering a race that stubbornly conceptualized their ships' movements in those terms -- space moving around the ship -- to the point that Kirk and co. were having trouble getting them to move away from Klingon space (as I recall).

Could this have been an intentional reference? If so, it doesn't only work as a nod; it's possible that in the original timeline it was these aliens that prompted Scott's discovery at about the same time period. Hence, Old Spock would have been comfortable "polluting" history with the information, since it was supposed to be discovered around this time anyway. Just like that old bit about transparent aluminum.

Yes? No? A little bit? Too much salt?

 

[Christopher]

Actually I was reminded more of how Dr. Farnsworth's space drive in Futurama works -- the ship stands still and the drive moves the universe around it. I'm sure it's been around in science fiction in many forms for decades, and since all motion is relative anyway, it's not that radical a notion.

But there are three definite Vonda McIntyre references in the film, since she was the one who coined "Hikaru" as Sulu's first name and "George" and "Winona" as Kirk's parents' names.

 

[Mike Farley]

So, since her works were referenced in the new movie that makes her stuff Official Canon (c), right?

(ducks for cover)

 

[KRAD]

So, since her works were referenced in the new movie that makes her stuff Official Canon (c), right?

(ducks for cover)

Ducking will do you no good, as I kick low.

 

[soot]

Actually I was reminded more of how Dr. Farnsworth's space drive in Futurama works -- the ship stands still and the drive moves the universe around it. I'm sure it's been around in science fiction in many forms for decades, and since all motion is relative anyway, it's not that radical a notion.

Yeah, it wouldn't have stood out for me if it weren't for the fact that they're both Star Trek prequels covering the same ground in very different ways, and that I was pretty sure it had been mentioned by the creators in an interview at some point.

It had skipped my mind that those first names came from Enterprise as well, though. Seems like whenever I see them mentioned as references, they're just vaguely attributed to "the books".

 

[Brutal Strudel]

It's not that different from Dune's "foldiing" space.

 

[Christopher]

It had skipped my mind that those first names came from Enterprise as well, though. Seems like whenever I see them mentioned as references, they're just vaguely attributed to "the books".

The names George and Winona come from Enterprise: The First Adventure; McIntyre coined Hikaru as Sulu's first name in her first Trek novel, The Entropy Effect.

It's not that different from Dune's "foldiing" space.

Well, they're all ultimately based on General Relativity, all variations on concepts that have been part of the ongoing dialogue of science fiction for generations.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Ducking will do you no good, as I kick low.

A severe case of krad 'nads...

 

[One of None]

Call up Harlan Ellison, he might want to start a class action suit here.

 

[Locutus]

The parallel that I saw was a commonality between the launch of the Enterprise between the two stories. As I recall in "Enterprise", Sulu messed up the launch of the ship and almost hit the exit of the spacedock. In "Star Trek", he forgot the parking brake. I wondered right from the first time I saw the scene if it was an intentional parallel. (And if it's not, it's still fun to me!)

 

[Therin of Andor]

I wondered right from the first time I saw the scene if it was an intentional parallel. (And if it's not, it's still fun to me!)

On the new ST IV DVD commentary, Orci & Kurtzman mention that Sulu's trouble with the Huey helicopter's windscreen wipers inspired the parking break scene in the new movie, but I'd say they had also noted his ooops moment in "Enterprise: The First Adventure", too.

 

[Stevil2001]

...Orci and Kurtzman have a commentary on the ST IV DVD?

 

[Paris]

The last time ST IV was released was the special edition from a few years ago unless the new box set with ST II-IV has new versions as well as new commentaries. Does anyone know if this is the case?

 

[JD]

I believe the new sets do have commentaries from Orci and Kurtzman. I've heard several references to their commentaries, and the new sets were baisically marketing for the movie, so it makes the most sense.

I just checked Memory Alpha and here are the special features

Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan

• Commentary by Nicholas Meyer and Manny Coto
• James Horner: Composing Genesis
• A Tribute to Ricardo Montalban
• Collecting Star Trek's Movie Relics
• Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind Ceti Alpha VI

Star Trek III: The Search for Spock

• Commentary by Ronald D. Moore and Michael Taylor
• Industrial Light & Magic: The Visual Effects of Star Trek
• Spock: The Early Years
• Star Trek and the Science Fiction Museum Hall of Fame
• Starfleet Academy: Mystery Behind the Vulcan Katra Transfer

Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home

• Commentary by Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman
• Pavel Chekov's Screen Moments
• The Three-Picture Saga
• Star Trek for a Cause
• Starfleet Academy: The Whale Probe

 

[Therin of Andor]

The last time ST IV was released was the special edition from a few years ago unless the new box set with ST II-IV has new versions as well as new commentaries. Does anyone know if this is the case?

If you buy them as a boxed DVD set (the only way to get ST VI at the moment), and in Regions 2 and 4 you also get a seventh DVD disc with Whoopi Goldberg interviewing Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart and Frakes: "The Captains' Summit".

The all-new commentaries on the movies are:

ST: TMP: Michael & Denise Okuda, Garfield & Judith Reeves-Stevens, Daren Dochterman

ST II: Nicholas Meyer, Manny Coto

ST III: Ronald D Moore, Michael Taylor

ST IV: Roberto Orci, Alex Kurtzman

ST V: Michael & Denise Okuda, Garfield & Judith Reeves-Stevens, Daren Dochterman

ST VI: Larry Nemecek, Ira Steven Behr.

TMP, ST II and ST VI are as seen in cinemas, the first time for those versions on DVD for TMP and ST VI. The Blu-Ray sets include the old commentaries, as well, for ST II-VI (with ST II and ST VI tweaked a little to remove references to the DE and SE additions). The DVD versions have only the new commentaries this time around.

 

[Paris]

Thanks guys! I definetly need to check out the commentary by Moore and Taylor on STIII. Neither of them had anything do with the production, but as it is the first time we see modern Klingons (other than the small cameo in TMP...Mark Lenard wo0t!) and their culture, i'm guessing Ron Moore is the go-to-guy

 

[Therin of Andor]

I definetly need to check out the commentary by Moore and Taylor on STIII. Neither of them had anything do with the production

The brief for these new commentaries was that they were from a knowledgeable fan perspective.

 

[Avro Arrow]

If you buy them as a boxed DVD set (the only way to get ST VI at the moment), you also get a seventh disc with Whoopi Goldberg interviewing Shatner, Nimoy, Stewart and Frakes: "The Captains' Summit".

TMP, ST II and ST VI are as seen in cinemas, the first time for those versions on DVD for TMP and ST VI. The Blu-Ray sets include the old commentaries, as well, for ST II-VI (with ST II and ST VI tweaked a little to remove references to the DE and SE additions). The DVD versions have only the new commentaries this time around.

A small caveat to Therin's post: since he is from Australia, I am assuming he is referring to a region 4 DVD release of the 6 TOS movies. As far as I am aware, the six-movie set with the Captains' Summit bonus disc was only released in Blu-Ray in Canada & the US (DVD region 1).

Which is too bad, because I probably would have bought the set if it was available on DVD here. I've long wanted to have the theatrical versions of TMP and TUC on DVD. The only related DVD release we got in region 1 was the "trilogy" set of TWOK, TSFS and TVH, which Paris and JD were referring to above.

 

[Therin of Andor]

A small caveat to Therin's post: since he is from Australia, I am assuming he is referring to a region 4 DVD release of the 6 TOS movies.

Region 4 got a seven-disk boxed set (six movies and the Whoopi-hosted "Captains' Summit") on DVD, and the first five movies are available singly. They seem to be holding back ST VI theatrical version as a single disk to encourage people to get the boxed set, or to make up a second batch of five single movies when the TNG movies are ready. I'm sure I heard the US was eventually getting single offerings on DVD.

As far as I am aware, the six-movie set with the Captains' Summit bonus disc was only released in Blu-Ray in Canada & the US (DVD region 1).

Regions 2 and 4 did get the same boxed set deal in Blu-Ray as Canada & the US, and it includes the "Captains' Summit", but it was also in our DVD set.
http://www.find-dvd.co.uk/blu-ray/Star-Trek-Series-1-6-Blu-ray/1092238.htm

 

[seigezunt]

It had skipped my mind that those first names came from Enterprise as well, though. Seems like whenever I see them mentioned as references, they're just vaguely attributed to "the books".

The names George and Winona come from Enterprise: The First Adventure; McIntyre coined Hikaru as Sulu's first name in her first Trek novel, The Entropy Effect.

Who coined Uhura's first name?