Spoilers Variety: "Star Trek: Picard Is 'Divisive' "

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Danja, Mar 25, 2020.

  1. Danja

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    IMO, it's only "divisive" if you're of the opinion that Trek has to look a certain way (Berman-era):
    • Reset button. No lasting consequences.
    • Complex moral issues being resolved in an hour.
    • Family-friendly.

    Real life doesn't work that way.

     
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  2. Vger23

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    If a show isn't "divisive," it isn't trying.

    I'm very pleased that new Trek productions have been controversial within fandom. It shows growth and risk, which are things Trek needs to survive and stay fresh....things that weren't there much during the steady decline.
     
  3. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Yup. I look at the nature of the complaints. If they're shallow, only talking about how they miss what was done before, and aren't looking at the actual show itself, and if all of or most of what they're saying sounds regurgitated or parroted, then I know to disregard them.

    If they say what they specifically think is wrong, how this is a problem within in the show itself and not simply something that doesn't align with their tastes, can point out what or how it could be done better, and can back up what they say with something that I can't instantly shoot down, then I'm all ears.

    It comes down to: do they have to stretch, distort, or come up with conspiracy theories? If not, then it's a step in the right direction. That's a step in the direction of a discussion that's conductive to one side discussing viewpoints with another side that holds other viewpoints.
     
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  4. CorporalClegg

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    It's only divisive in the sense that peoples' bias has convinced them it's something radically different.

    But the only thing "new" that PIC does is abandon the pretense. But Kelvin Trek already did that.

    But this paragraph could easily describe 60% of the collective Berman era, let alone TOS:

     
  5. Nerys Myk

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    Who wrote that headline? Deanna Troi?
     
  6. Vger23

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    Oh no, everyone's beloved Sir Patrick is to blame for the misguided direction of this show????

    ;)

    Stewart was smart to want to look at things from a new angle. I'm glad he made that a stipulation. He knows that it's not worth doing the same thing over and over again.

    I jus really hope they get this last episode right. It's been an EXTREMELY consistent season thus far....but a lot rides on the conclusion with this kind of arc-based storytelling.

    I do think fans need to brace themselves for the fact or likelihood that not every single plot line that has been brought up through the course of the series is going to be concluded in one episode.
     
  7. Makarov

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    This is a great show, at the same time I've learned to love the reset button of old trek. Its convenient when watching out of order
     
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  8. Lord Garth

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    I think the only thing that will be wrapped up is that Soji will no longer be in "serious danger", to quote Picard, and Starfleet will be more apt to listen to him from now on. Those were what was set up at the beginning of the season and will be resolved. The rest of it will keep building and continuing into Season 2 and 3...

    ... and if what I see 8-9 hours from now contradicts what I just said, consider this entire post to be null and void. :p

    "This message will self-destruct in five seconds..."
     
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  9. Tosk

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    The show is divisive, huh? So, just like every other TV show and movie in history?
     
  10. CorporalClegg

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    Reset buttons are never a good idea.
     
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  11. AlanC9

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    You've got two choices these days; divisive or boring.
     
  12. King Daniel Beyond

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    I thought Picard was pretty universally (usual suspect obsessives aside) liked? Certainly this forum has been infinitely smoother sailing than Discovery, the Kelvin Universe or Enterprise ones ever were.
     
  13. Cyrus

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    TNG was divisive. Every Star Trek series, except maybe TOS, has been divisive.
     
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  14. Guy Gardener

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    Devisive is a good thing in a TV Show, but less good in a husband.
     
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    And the people making the complaints have seemed to miss the endless callbacks to past trek shows even going as far as referencing the kzinti. If anything they have gone out of their way to service the fans and canon
     
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  16. Danja

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    Or Voyager ...
     
  17. Lord Garth

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    Much smoother, yes. Without a doubt. But the Usual Suspects have dug in deeper to make up for the difference. In an unpredictable world, I guess it's good to have anchors, people who we can depend on to... wait, no. I take that back. That makes something ridiculous actually sound good.
     
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  18. Iconian

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    I'm surprised the show was labeled as divisive in the article.
     
  19. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    It is NOT divisive! You're all WRONG and I HATE you!!!
     
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  20. Thomas Elliot

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    Not necessarily. If a show is described as being divisive, it's usually because it already has an established fanbase from either the source material the show is being adapted from, or from a previous iteration of the show.

    Take Netflix's first season of Stranger Things. While it was a homage to 80s science fiction and horror movies, and the stories of Stephen King, it was essentially a new show, with a new story, and with new characters. The people that stuck around to watch it enjoyed it. People that didn't watch it probably didn't like the premise to begin with, or they tuned out after an episode or two.