Hi guys, first time poster here. Just had a quick question was hoping someone could help with. I'm currently reading the Vanguard books (they are amazing by the way) and was thinking about watching the TOS episodes that link in with the Vanguard story. I haven't really watched many TOS episodes (more of a TNG/DS9 fan) so was looking for some advice about which ones to watch. I'm guessing most of the ones to do with the Klingons, Romulans, and Tholians. Hope someone can help.
Vanguard and TOS
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Oriana D'Amato's husband was a canonical officer aboard the Enterprise ("That Which Survives").
Dr M'Benga was in two TOS eps: "A Private Little War" and "That Which Survives".
Nogura was mentioned in ST:TMP.
The episodes that I think Vanguard ties into most heavily are:
- Balance of Terror
- Errand of Mercy
- The Enterprise Incident
- The Tholian Web
Also, the series sets up the backstories for major plot points of:
- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
- Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
- Star Trek IV: The Undiscovered Country
- Balance of Terror
- Errand of Mercy
- The Enterprise Incident
- The Tholian Web
Also, the series sets up the backstories for major plot points of:
- Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
- Star Trek V: The Final Frontier
- Star Trek IV: The Undiscovered Country
Also, the first book in the saga builds directly off of "Where No Man Has Gone Before" and alludes to the costume changes that occurred between that episode and "The Corbomite Maneuver".
I watched all of TOS after reading a few of the VAN books. They helped me appreciate the entire show so much better. Even starfleet design philosophy, uniforms, and mentality of the characters.
If you can watch all of TOS, I'd recommend it, VAN and TOS complement each other beyond just plots.
If you can watch all of TOS, I'd recommend it, VAN and TOS complement each other beyond just plots.
As Art Vandelay said, The Tholian Web is an important episode. (What Judgements Come prominently features the Defiant before she gets trapped in the Tholian annex).
Events from "Trouble With Tribbles" (K-7, Klingons) are also mentioned.
Events from "Trouble With Tribbles" (K-7, Klingons) are also mentioned.
The series is well linked to TOS episodes.
Of all these episodes, I think Errand of Mercy has the biggest part to play in the outplaying of Vanguard.
Thanks for your responses. I've seen the movies so got the backstory references when I read them. I'll definitely give the episodes mentioned above a watch.
I really enjoy the overriding arcs and themes that are explored i.e. the politics and conflict with the Kilingons and Romulans - Is there any other episodes that you think will also link in with this?
I really enjoy the overriding arcs and themes that are explored i.e. the politics and conflict with the Kilingons and Romulans - Is there any other episodes that you think will also link in with this?
Could not agree more. Vanguard along with the CGI upgrades to the series have given me a new appreciation for TOS. Having a working knowledge of TOS leads to the greater enjoyment of other Original series books such as That which Divides, Rings of Time, etc.. So if you have the time watch them all.
^Very true, but they do compliment each other well.
Yevetha
Commodore
There is also Where No Man Has Gone Before which ties into the first book.
Reeeallllyyy?????? How awesome is that! Do these things happen towards the end of the series I guess?
Not really towards the end, throughout the Vanguard series it sets up:
- Carol Marcus' backstory and the Genesis concept for Wrath of Khan
- Nimbus III's backstory - the Federation, Kilingon and Romulan Paradise City in Final Frontier
- Gorkon's backstory for Undiscovered Country
On everyone's recommendation I bought the TOS remastered DVD bokset - it arrived on Saturday - so far I've watched a few of the episodes mentioned earlier (those linking to Vanguard storyline). It was the first time I'd seen the episodes - actually enjoyed them more than was expecting to and as Patrick O'Brien said the CGI upgrades really do improve them.
Speaking of Errand of Mercy... Aside from the DC 1980's comic, has any recent Trek fiction dealt with why the Organians stopped enforcing the Organian Peace Treaty?
I touched on it in The Buried Age. I don't believe that they ever "enforced" the treaty. "Errand" made it very clear that the Organians found it repugnant to deal with corporeal beings at all and only intervened with the greatest reluctance, and that was only because they wanted to get the noisy kids off their lawn. As long as it wasn't affecting Organia itself, the Organians wouldn't be willing to get involved. Once they'd ensured the treaty was in place, they would've left the repulsive primitives to take care of matters for themselves.
Not "recent", but the very first Bantam original fiction, "Spock Must Die!" is worth a look for an alternate ultimate take on the Peace Treaty.
Yevetha
Commodore
Thank you for the retcon.
...Also, we can neatly explain away almost all novel/comic mentions of the Organians enforcing the treaty. After all, it would be in both UFP and Klingon interests to pretend that Organian meddling, rather than own incompetence or weakness, was the reason for repeated failures to deal with the opposition. It's only stories like Rules of Engagement with explicit appearances of the Organians themselves that don't yield to such treatment.
(Although of course the Claymore bit in that book could have been but a dream!)
Timo Saloniemi
(Although of course the Claymore bit in that book could have been but a dream!)
Timo Saloniemi
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