Could the Nebula class USS HERA be a other victim of the caretaker?.The ship disappeared in 2370 a year before voyager,it happened with the uss Equinox so could the cartaker pulled the hera into the delta quadrant from AQ?.Or something else happened to the hera?.
USS HERA
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NO, it blew up, Geordi's mom is DEAD, accept it.
NOOOOOO!!!!Only, had it turned out the Hera was transported to the DQ and Voyager met up with the ship ... it would have been somewhat better explanation compared to the Equinox.
At the very least Janeway was practically well informed of Ransom (as explained in Equinox episode).
Call me crazy, but if that episode was any indication, she should have KNOWN that the Equinox vanished from the Federation (and it was longer in the DQ compared to Voyager) when asked by Chakotay in Season 1 (or was it 2) if she had any knowledge of any other Fed ships disappearing.
The Hera would have been an obvious first answer for example because the ship was never found.
Equinox could have been an answer.
But of course, the writers never thought of those aspects at the time of writing the dialogue so it doesn't matter.
At the very least Janeway was practically well informed of Ransom (as explained in Equinox episode).
Call me crazy, but if that episode was any indication, she should have KNOWN that the Equinox vanished from the Federation (and it was longer in the DQ compared to Voyager) when asked by Chakotay in Season 1 (or was it 2) if she had any knowledge of any other Fed ships disappearing.
The Hera would have been an obvious first answer for example because the ship was never found.
Equinox could have been an answer.
But of course, the writers never thought of those aspects at the time of writing the dialogue so it doesn't matter.
I'd argue Janeway was interested in ships that disappeared in this particular area, which AFAIK is not true of the Hera.
And Ransom might have been in the habit of dropping off the radar screens during his missions. We have seen many skippers do that: Varley on the Yamato would be a good example, another hunter of supposedly extinct civilizations. Starfleet isn't in constant contact with its ships in the general case.
Timo Saloniemi
And Ransom might have been in the habit of dropping off the radar screens during his missions. We have seen many skippers do that: Varley on the Yamato would be a good example, another hunter of supposedly extinct civilizations. Starfleet isn't in constant contact with its ships in the general case.
Timo Saloniemi
But if we go back to the dialogue in the turbolift between Janeway, Chakotay and Tuvok ... Chakotay asked Janeway if any other ships in the Federation simply vanished. Locations or specific areas were never mentioned in the dialogue.
True that Ransom might have been in the habit of dropping off the radar.
But he would only do so in situations when he's pursued and outmatched.
He evaded a Romulan warbird in a nebula and played hide and seek with them for 3 days before the Romulans gave out.
From that conversation, Ransom did have a tendency to hide ... but for a very shory amount of time, and only in specific situations.
The Equinox was supposedly in the DQ for some time before Voyager ... wouldn't it be odd that Janeway wouldn't know of it if the ship was off the radar for months or years?
Well, Picard didn't have the faintest idea of the schedule of the Yamato - in "Where Silence Has Lease" he bought into Nagilum's pretense that the ship could be met at spot XYZ on the way to Morgana Quadrant, and in "Contagion" he never guessed that Varley had in fact taken her to the Romulan Neutral Zone to hunt for the Iconians. Yet the ship wasn't considered "missing" or anything, or this would have been mentioned in "Where Silence Has Lease". And Picard certainly shared friendship and professional and extraprofessional passion with Varley.
Varley and Ransom sound like soulmates here: Iconians or Yridians, they go hunt for ghosts, and tend to find them. Their respective admirers, Picard and Janeway, don't break the symmetry either IMHO.
As for that turbolift conversation, what episode was it from?
Timo Saloniemi
Varley and Ransom sound like soulmates here: Iconians or Yridians, they go hunt for ghosts, and tend to find them. Their respective admirers, Picard and Janeway, don't break the symmetry either IMHO.
As for that turbolift conversation, what episode was it from?
Timo Saloniemi
Season 1 (I think) when Voyager discovered a Kazon ship with a Federation (Voyager's) replicator that ultimately back-fired on the crew and fused them with the bulkheads.
It was a same episode where Seska was discovered to be a spy and working for the Kazon (ultimately left the ship at the end of the episode).
Picard may not have know about the Yamato's schedule, but he did know that they were still accounted for and not missing as far as general information was concerned.
It actually makes sense that captains don't know about each other's schedules unless they make a note to inform themselves of it.
But general info on whether or not the ship is missing or not would likely be available.
If anything, Janeway could have looked up SF records for the past few years and seen which ships were designated as 'missing' or declared 'lost' (situations in which hulls/bodies or any kind of residuals were not located).
Granted ... SF could have declared Ransom's Equinox as 'undetermined' and not 'lost for good' or 'destroyed' if the ship was in the DQ for a few months before Voyager got there.
It would explain why she wouldn't have any knowledge on the Equinox.
It was a same episode where Seska was discovered to be a spy and working for the Kazon (ultimately left the ship at the end of the episode).
Picard may not have know about the Yamato's schedule, but he did know that they were still accounted for and not missing as far as general information was concerned.
It actually makes sense that captains don't know about each other's schedules unless they make a note to inform themselves of it.
But general info on whether or not the ship is missing or not would likely be available.
If anything, Janeway could have looked up SF records for the past few years and seen which ships were designated as 'missing' or declared 'lost' (situations in which hulls/bodies or any kind of residuals were not located).
Granted ... SF could have declared Ransom's Equinox as 'undetermined' and not 'lost for good' or 'destroyed' if the ship was in the DQ for a few months before Voyager got there.
It would explain why she wouldn't have any knowledge on the Equinox.
But the point is, nobody would have known whether Varley was missing or not - neither Picard nor Starfleet HQ big brass. In general, it's more than half a year before Starfleet starts to worry about ships it hasn't heard of, both in TOS and TNG (say, the Exeter and the Drake).
So Ransom wouldn't have been listed as missing merely because he had been silent for less than a year. (We don't know the exact timeline, although Memory Alpha has some weird speculation about asteroid belts and whatnot that has no clear basis in the dialogue of "Equinox"...)
Also, I disagree that Janeway would have been particularly interested in Ransom's career. She "hoped" to meet the guy one day - but she had never made any effort to do so, apparently.
As for that turbolift conversation in "State of Flux", ships that had disappeared elsewhere would not interest Janeway. Based on what she had learned in the pilot episode, she had reason to think that the Caretaker had been sweeping up ships from the Badlands, not from anywhere else. If the Hera disappeared elsewhere, there would be no good reason to think she had ended up in the Delta Quadrant. Janeway might just as well wonder if Jimmy Hoffa was sending them signals, if she started associating every disappearance with Starfleet presence in Delta.
Really, dozens of ships probably disappear every year. Chakotay would have been dead wrong in stating that there were no disappearances within, say, five years of the last time he had the opportunity to look at Starfleet records. Only a limited subset of disappearances could be the concern here, then.
Timo Saloniemi
So Ransom wouldn't have been listed as missing merely because he had been silent for less than a year. (We don't know the exact timeline, although Memory Alpha has some weird speculation about asteroid belts and whatnot that has no clear basis in the dialogue of "Equinox"...)
Also, I disagree that Janeway would have been particularly interested in Ransom's career. She "hoped" to meet the guy one day - but she had never made any effort to do so, apparently.
As for that turbolift conversation in "State of Flux", ships that had disappeared elsewhere would not interest Janeway. Based on what she had learned in the pilot episode, she had reason to think that the Caretaker had been sweeping up ships from the Badlands, not from anywhere else. If the Hera disappeared elsewhere, there would be no good reason to think she had ended up in the Delta Quadrant. Janeway might just as well wonder if Jimmy Hoffa was sending them signals, if she started associating every disappearance with Starfleet presence in Delta.
Really, dozens of ships probably disappear every year. Chakotay would have been dead wrong in stating that there were no disappearances within, say, five years of the last time he had the opportunity to look at Starfleet records. Only a limited subset of disappearances could be the concern here, then.
Timo Saloniemi
Actually, I 'd have to disagree with you. If it was a writer's choice between using the Hera and the Equinox (based on what was established about both ships), the Equinox was a better choice. Here's why:
1. According to the Encyclopedia, the Hera was a Nebula class ship, which tactically speaking, would make it the command ship between the two vessels. Having the Equinox as a small science vessel kept Janeway in charge.
2. The Hera was referred to as having a mostly Vulcan crew. Would Vulcans do the things that the Equinox's crew did? Highly unlikely.
3. Madge Sinclair's Capt. LaForge doesn't seem to me the type to go all nitty-gritty rebel, especially if her crew were mostly Vulcans.
Don't get me wrong...I was actually wondering if they'd do an episode where Voyager found the Hera. But I think if they wanted an episode like "Equinox," they'd have to make significant changes (i.e. the Hera being a smaller ship, a different captain than Madge Sinclair, a different crew than Vulcans.) If they had to do that anyway, why not just have a different ship?
hellsgate
Commodore
I was thinking that she was captured by the Borg. The Hera itself was absorbed into the hull of a cube & her crew assimilated, thus no wreckage of the U.S.S. Hera for Starfleet to inevitably trip over somewhere, nor any escape pods / discarded shuttles. Vulcans are highly prized by the Borg as they're so logical / mentally-emotionally disciplined.
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They may have been among the casualties of the struggles going-on in the Nekrit Expanse. (Beings separated from the Collective,) found by Chakotay.
http://www.3dactionplanet.com/bridgecommander/images/screens/032.jpg
They may have been among the casualties of the struggles going-on in the Nekrit Expanse. (Beings separated from the Collective,) found by Chakotay.
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