Universe of Galaxy?

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies I-X' started by MAGolding, Dec 15, 2016.

  1. MAGolding

    MAGolding Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I seem to remember in Star Trek: the Motion Picture Kirk saying that Voyager 6 must have emerged from a black hole on the far side of the universe. I remember thinking that it as much more plausible for Voyager 6 to have gone to the far side of the galaxy. Since the difference is important to the chronology and "galactography" of Star Trek I have thought of arguments why Voyager 6 must have emerged on the far side of the galaxy and not the far side of the universe.

    But the transcript for Star Trek: the Motion Picture says:
    KIRK: Voyager series, designed to collect data and transmit it back to Earth.
    DECKER: Voyager VI ...disappeared into what they used to call a black hole.
    KIRK: It must have emerged sometime on the far side of the Galaxy and fell into the machine's planet's gravitational field.

    http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie1.html

    And I have found two clips online here Kirk says: "the far side of the galaxy"

    Maybe I remember it wrong and Kirk always said "the far side of the galaxy". But may be it was changed from "The far side of the universe" to "the far side of the galaxy" for the director's edition or something.

    So I need to know if it is the "The far side of the universe" or "the far side of the galaxy" in various versions of Star Trek: the Motion Picture.
     
  2. MAGolding

    MAGolding Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Memory Alpha Voyager 6 article says:

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Voyager_6

    V'ger article says:

    http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/V'ger?file=V'ger_concept_art_(1).jpg

    I believe that it makes much more sense for Voyager 6 to have emerged on the far side of the galaxy instead of the universe. If the movie always said the far side of the galaxy there will be no need for me to convince people that it was the far side of the galaxy.

    But I don't want to assume that the movie always said the far side of the galaxy. I need to know whether every version says the far side of the galaxy.
     
  3. urbandefault

    urbandefault Commodore Commodore

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    I saw the movie opening weekend in 1979. I don't think he said "universe" -- pretty sure it was "galaxy."
     
  4. m.lp.ql.m

    m.lp.ql.m Commander Red Shirt

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    So what are 'black holes' called now?
     
  5. dodge

    dodge Commodore Commodore

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    There's like, so... so many joke answers going through my mind right now, it's impossible to pick one and write it down. And the best ones are probably infraction worthy :whistle:
     
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  6. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Real black holes are probably still called that. But what everyone used to THINK black holes are (a giant storm drain in space, as shown in a certain 1979 movie), are now called wormholes.
     
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  7. Kor

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    The real question is, what will black holes be called in the late 23rd century?

    That was an odd line, though... "disappeared into what they used to call a black hole." In-universe it's wacky to say something like that. It's like if I picked up some people in my car and said in all seriousness, "We're going to ride in what they used to call a horseless carriage."

    Kor
     
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  8. FormerLurker

    FormerLurker Commodore Commodore

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    Calcutta.;)
     
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  9. Emperor Norton

    Emperor Norton Captain Captain

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    A McGuffin.
     
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  10. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    The word 'universe' is spoken three times in TMP, according to the transcript...

    http://www.chakoteya.net/movies/movie1.html
     
  11. FormerLurker

    FormerLurker Commodore Commodore

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    The second and third uses you list refer more to dimensionality than area. Spock is saying, and McCoy is questioning, that V'Ger needs to expand, perhaps quite literally, the limits of its understanding of reality, and that without this expansion, V'Ger stagnates, and begins to break down and devolve back into its component parts.
     
  12. Avro Arrow

    Avro Arrow Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Maybe a "black star", as in "Tomorrow is Yesterday"? :shrug:
     
  13. Timo

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    Decker mentioning the past name for the phenomenon is sort of logical: he wants to point out the error of the old ways, the one that led them into thinking the probe was destroyed rather than displaced.

    The interesting thing is that Decker is apparently in error, too: in another timeline, and a century into Decker's future, people will know that black holes indeed can tunnel objects through space and time. (That is, unless we assume that Spock Prime attempted to create a black hole at Romulus but spectacularly failed and created something else altogether.)

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  14. MAGolding

    MAGolding Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Common concepts in old science fiction were "black", "dark", or "dead" "stars" or "suns". They roughly corresponded to modern ideas about brown dwarfs, sub brown dwarfs, neutron stars, black holes, and the theoretical future black dwarfs.

    Suggested alternatives to black holes in modern theoretical physics include half a dozen different types including black stars and dark stars.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_star

    Thus it seems to me that physics would be taking a step backwards by renaming black holes black stars or dark stars.
     
  15. publiusr

    publiusr Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I always liked the term collapsar