Two views of the plot

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Based on the general information that seems to be known to the public at this point, there seems to be two schools of thought concerning the plot.

One is that it involves time-travel and the possible assassination of someone, as reported by AICN a few weeks back. The other is that it's a straight-forward story of how Kirk first took command of the Enterprise and brought his crew together.

Although time-travel can be an intriguing plot device, I'm hoping the second version is what we end up with. The AICN version just seems too much like the Temporal Cold War from ENT, which a lot of people bitched about when it debuted. I don't think it's needed to tell a good story about Kirk & Co.'s first mission.

The one thing that does come into question, however, is Eric Bana being cast as a Romulan. If this story does if fact take place between the two pilot episodes, then Kirk, Spock and the rest have yet to see what a Romulan looks like. Unless Bana's character is a Romulan posing as a Vulcan...

Just some thoughts. Overall, everything I keep hearing about the casting and production lead me to believe that this will turn out to be a good movie.

 

[General_Custer]

Robero Orci the writer said that Enterprise and the Next Generation will be referenced as bookends to the story. Also a insider said he saw what appeared to be set named temporal transporter. Also Harlin Ellison is rumored to be very upset with paramount. That could be because according to sources that someone must choose to let someone that is very close to them die in order to save the trek universe because the whole universe will be turned upside down. Also Ellison could be upset because Spock might use the Guardian from Ellisons story to contact his younger self to prevent Pike from Being Assasinated by Nero either from Pikes time period or the future of Nimoys Spock.Either way probably young Kirk will help Pike from being assasinated and for his heroics Pike will recommend Kirk be given the Enterprise. We don't know.

 

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Uh, oh, General Custer, this doesn't look good.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

General_Custer said:
Also Harlin Ellison is rumored to be very upset with paramount. That could be because according to sources that someone must choose to let someone that is very close to them die in order to save the trek universe because the whole universe will be turned upside down. Also Ellison could be upset because Spock might use the Guardian from Ellisons story to contact his younger self to prevent Pike from Being Assasinated by Nero either from Pikes time period or the future of Nimoys Spock.

Do you have any sources for this? The "Ellison being upset" rumor, that is?

When Pocket published Crucible: McCoy Ellison had his knickers in a twist over the use of the Guardian, he threatened lawsuits, demanding a tractor trailer full of cash, etc. And then suddenly, after fanning all sorts of flames... Ellison shut the fuck up.

I don't know. Ellison wouldn't be Ellison if he didn't get his knickers in a twist over every little thing.

 

[General_Custer]

Allyn Gibson said:

General_Custer said:
Also Harlin Ellison is rumored to be very upset with paramount. That could be because according to sources that someone must choose to let someone that is very close to them die in order to save the trek universe because the whole universe will be turned upside down. Also Ellison could be upset because Spock might use the Guardian from Ellisons story to contact his younger self to prevent Pike from Being Assasinated by Nero either from Pikes time period or the future of Nimoys Spock.

Do you have any sources for this? The "Ellison being upset" rumor, that is?

When Pocket published Crucible: McCoy Ellison had his knickers in a twist over the use of the Guardian, he threatened lawsuits, demanding a tractor trailer full of cash, etc. And then suddenly, after fanning all sorts of flames... Ellison shut the fuck up.

I don't know. Ellison wouldn't be Ellison if he didn't get his knickers in a twist over every little thing.

Give me a little while to go back and research OK? The Orci article can be found in the archives at trekmovie.com It wasnt to long ago. I am supposed to be going to the Superdome in New Orleans to see the Saints play the Rams tommorrow at noon so it is about a 3hr drive so I will try to hurry up before I have to pack. Please be patient.

 

[Flake]

What id like to know is how Spock becomes aware of the changes to the timeline? How can he be immune to it? Or is he present at the supposed accident that causes the Romulans to go back in time?

 

[Franklin]

I think his source for Ellison being mad and Spock having to let Kirk die in order to save the timeline is Starship Polaris, if you know what I mean.

 

[General_Custer]

Spock since he is part of the underground movement might happen upon what is going on in the tempoaral cold war and might discover the temporal transporter used by Nero or Future guy. Anyway here is the interview that Orcigave and how big references to the Next Generation and Enterprise and other series will be used. It is mentioned in the interview right before you see the graphic down the page of the ship names with USS Archer and he will explain it.

http://trekmovie.com./2007/10/08/interview-orci-talks-casting-characters-canon-and-more


If that doent work google: {Roberto Orci discusses enterprise and next generations as bookends} It should be the first topic to click. The first link above is from august.

 

[SeamusShameless]

Flake said:
What id like to know is how Spock becomes aware of the changes to the timeline? How can he be immune to it? Or is he present at the supposed accident that causes the Romulans to go back in time?

Maybe Spock is with a group of his Romulan students visiting the Gardian Planet when Nero, a young protege, accidently activates the Guardian of Forever and is thrown back to the 23rd century with no hope of return. Nero, being trapped in the past decides to do the "Romulan" thing and turn history in his favor. Since Spock was on the Guardian Planet when Nero left, he and whomever else is on the planet would not be affected by the changes in history. That leaves Spock free to discover what Nero did to change history and go back to the Guardian Planet to repair the damage to the timeline.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

Franklin said:
I think his source for Ellison being mad and Spock having to let Kirk die in order to save the timeline is Starship Polaris, if you know what I mean.

Ah, gotcha. Google sent me here.

The thing is, I wonder why Harlan Ellison would even know the story's plot. Unless he's got a gang of lemurs feeding him information.

 

[Scatter]

Dear J.J.

No fucking time travel please. It's been done already. A gazillion times.

Sincerely,
Everyone.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

It should be mainly the story of Kirk & the historic assembling of The Crew...if they wanna toss in a little time travel for laffs, I have no issue with that.

 

[Kirk the Jerk]

A Romulan...? More likely to fit in with Nemesis SOMEHOW? Thus being a time travel movie? Some crazy Romulan hell bent on distroying the peace goes back and tries to destroy the Federation...before it really began? hmm... sounding more n more interesting...

 

[VOODOOXI]

Luckily nobody has watched Star Trek since 1994 and thus will have no knowledge of an obscure (to the general public) storyline.

I'm sure that AICN's version of the plot is correct.

 

[Michael Chris]

Well, one of TrekMovie's sources said that much of what was in the AICN article was pure speculation. I'm much more inclined to believe PowderedToastMan than AICN.

 

[scotthm]

Temis the Vorta said:
It should be mainly the story of Kirk & the historic assembling of The Crew...

That sounds too much like ST: TMP to me.

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scotthm said:

Temis the Vorta said:
It should be mainly the story of Kirk & the historic assembling of The Crew...

That sounds too much like ST: TMP to me.

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And there's something wrong with that?




Funny, I'm curious too as to how Harlan might be privvy to enough of the plot to get his tighty-whities into a bunch. Then again, I'm sure that living in Hollywood, he still has connections... Lord help us all if the Guardian really is being used in this film.

 

[Trekster]

Well there HAS to be a time element in this film because Nimoy is in it playing an older Spock. Whether that means time travel per say is still speculation..

 

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Not necessarily. Nimoy's involvement as an older Spock could simply be a bookend, with him recalling an incident that took places decades before, much like in Titanic. Certainly, it could be time-travel, but I'm hoping that's not the case.

 

[ST-One]

Procutus said:
... much like in Titanic. ...

"... she was called 'the ship of nerds'. And she was. She really was."