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TOS's Guinan/Quark/Neelix

Laura Cynthia Chambers

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If TOS had a character like this, who would they be (like)?

TAS mentions a female mess officer, Briel, and TOS mentions a chef, but aside from that, there's no friendly bartender to soothe/offer advice (okay, Bones, sometimes), or encourage people with food.

I know everybody usually gets their food from machines on Kirk's Enterprise, but having someone pour the drinks, or add their own special touch to food, or just make themselves available to listen to you/advise you can go a long way.
 
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If TOS had a character like this, who would they be (like)?

TAS mentions a female mess officer, Briel, and TOS mentions a chef, but aside from that, there's no friendly bartender to soothe/offer advice (okay, Bones, sometimes), or encourage people with food.

I know everybody usually gets their food from machines on Kirk's Enterprise, but having someone pour the drinks, or add their own special touch to food, or just make themselves available to listen to you/advise you can go a long way.

That's McCoy. He's the one that brings drinks to Kirk when he's going through a hard time (see "Balance of Terror").

In "The Cage" it was Boyce who brought drinks to Pike. So Boyce would be the "first", IMHO.
 
Based on your description:
1. Someone pour the drinks
2. Special touch to food
3. Available to listen to you/advise you can go along

Only McCoy and Boyce in TOS meets conditions 1 and 3. No one really does a special touch to food... except Nurse Chapel when she served up something special for Spock in "Amok Time".

Actually, McCoy kinda meets condition 2 as he prescribes the food diet. :)

There are people who serve food though as they were present in "Space Seed" but nothing like a bartender or cook like in Voyager/E-D/DS9.
 
Such a character would have been gradually phased out as the show went on as the producers looked to save money on actors, get to the adventure faster and finally settle on using McCoy in that role.

And then that actor would be complaining that Shatner cut his lines and turned the series from an ensemble series to a starring vehicle. ;)
 
If you look at Star Trek Continues, you see they introduced a new character, Dr. Elise McKennah as ship's counselor. She's worked in almost as tightly as the big 3. She could be an example of what a TOS version of Guinian might have been like.
 
Instead of getting rid of Nomad they could have had it floating around serving drinks on a tray. Possibly making a kind of low-level 'woo-wee-woo-wee' noise as it moved around.

"Would RoyKirk like a paper umbrella in his cocktail?" woo-wee-woo-wee

THE END
 
If TOS had a character like this, who would they be (like)?

TAS mentions a female mess officer, Briel, and TOS mentions a chef, but aside from that, there's no friendly bartender to soothe/offer advice (okay, Bones, sometimes), or encourage people with food.

I know everybody usually gets their food from machines on Kirk's Enterprise, but having someone pour the drinks, or add their own special touch to food, or just make themselves available to listen to you/advise you can go a long way.
With the exception of TNG's Guinan, having any of those other characters as a series regular would have really taken away a lot of what made TOS such a good and memorable show.

If they had a neelix type character I would have dropped TOS immediately. I can't stand annoying main characters; I guess that's one of the reasons I've never liked Star Trek Voyager.

The closest TOS ever came to Quark was probably Harry Mudd; and yes he worked in small doses, and was one of the few characters they did a repeat appearance with. But again given the setup of TOS, making him a main character would have really changed the tone of the show.

I have to say the whole alien Refugee aspect in pretty much every Berman Trek era show never worked for me. DS9 is probably an exception in the later seasons; but honestly in those later seasons Rick Berman was too involved with Voyager to do more than give script notes to Iria Steven Behr that the ladder honestly usually ignored; and that's probably one reason why DS9 was such a good show.
 
If you look at Star Trek Continues, you see they introduced a new character, Dr. Elise McKennah as ship's counselor. She's worked in almost as tightly as the big 3. She could be an example of what a TOS version of Guinian might have been like.
Firstly Michelle Specht did a great job as McKenna. But secondly she was part of what undermined STC to feel more authentic.

Vic Mignogna once claimed he hoped STC would make fans feel it was 1969 again, and much of the production did strive for that sensibility, but then they went out of their way to inject things and do stories that never would have happened while TOS was in production. Repeated callouts to productions that didn’t yet exist was one thing. Writing stories that felt more like TNG was another. Injecting current terminology and language that didn’t yet exist (an admittedly difficult one to avoid). And finally vfx that TOS wouldn’t have done even if technically possible.

It all comes down to perspective. You cannot recreate a 1960’s show with a predominantly 21st century perspective and expect it to feel like an authentic time capsule. A lot of what STC did worked, but too often they did things that undermined what good they did. Writing TOS like it was TNG ruins the suspension of disbelief.

I might understand the impulse to make TOS more appealing to TNG/DS9/VOY/ENT fans, but that presupposes there was something wrong with TOS in the first place. There wasn’t. And the evidence is in the very fact that without TOS there would be nothing else that followed.

So no, there would have been no Guinan, Quark or Neelix. At a stretch McCoy filled that role to a limited extent. But ultimately the determining factor was the nature of the show itself, but more that society wasn’t as touchy/feely as it would become later, as it is today. TOS has its share of examples of characters supporting one another emotionally in some manner or other but it wasn’t going to show characters being coddled or nannied emotionally.

I’ll close with a more real world example. Decades ago my older brother asked me if it bothered me that our father never said “I love you” to us. With hardly a beat I said no, it didn’t bother me at all. I replied it didn’t bother me because I knew without doubt Dad loved us. His love was there in his words and actions. Whenever he called me up just to talk about hockey, cars or whatever. Whenever he asked me to do something with him. Whenever we did something together, Whenever he might ask my opinion. Whenever he teased me or we laughed together. And whenever I needed help he was wordlessly there. Dad’s love was there on display with everything he did and I didn’t need to be constantly reassured about it.

There are two heroes in my world: Captain James T. Kirk and my father. And despite the differences there was also a lot of commonality between them. Certainly both were men of guts, honour and integrity. And deep feeling.

The world of the 1960s was very different than the world of today. In some ways today is better, but in others it’s not. But thats why you wouldn’t see characters like Guinan, Quark or Neelix in TOS.
 
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I think it would be some rad old dude like Dr. Boyce or Burgess Meredith. Even more crusty than Bones.
And the waiter has a wheelchair just like Pike and they take all the orders in morse code.
 
Riley was the closest TOS got to plucky characters Neelix…or Guy from Galaxy Quest…growing up, I thought Kelso was in more than one episode…and would have been perfect opposite Colt from the Cage

The early episodes were fun—then felt all business…but the later the crew started to feel more like family with Chekov.
 
I’ll close with a more real world example. Decades ago my older brother asked me if it bothered me that our father never said “I love you” to us. With hardly a beat I said no, it didn’t bother me at all. I replied it didn’t bother me because I knew without doubt Dad loved us. His love was there in his words and actions. Whenever he called me up just to talk about hockey, cars or whatever. Whenever he asked me to do something with him. Whenever we did something together, Whenever he might ask my opinion. Whenever he teased me or we laughed together. And whenever I needed help he was wordlessly there. Dad’s love was there on display with everything he did and I didn’t need to be constantly reassured about it.

Learning how to appreciate small miracles is an important lesson, no doubt about that, but some people need to hear from their parent(s) that they were loved - yes, through those many acts - because of who they were and not because of duty, religion or some other reason external to their character. Personally, I've known at least two individuals outside of my family who explicitly said they did what they did because of God (the Abrahamic one, in case anyone cares). While not everyone is going to be bothered by the absence of those three words (as you yourself can attest), for others, it is important. There's nothing wrong with desiring that affirmation.
 
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