TOS Styled Phoenix?

Discussion in 'Fan Art' started by Acenos, Dec 7, 2018.

  1. Acenos

    Acenos Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Specifically the Phoenix as seen in "Star Trek: First Contact".

    What would Zefram Cochrane's Phoenix look like in the TOS style
     
  2. Maurice

    Maurice Snagglepussed Admiral

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    Seems like a subject for the Fan Art forum.
     
  3. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    Probably so.
     
  4. Psion

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    I, personally, have very little trouble accepting First Contact's Phoenix as part of the visual/aesthetic continuity of TOS. The smooth hull appearance of TOS is a more advanced appearance borne of the function of making everything accessible from the ship's interior rather than require extra-vehicular activities. The Phoenix, on the other hand, was designed as a thrown-together prototype designed to "just get it to work". Form should follow function, and it's logical that a small ship designed and built on the ground should have lots more exposed conduits and "greebles" than a full-sized starship like the Enterprise. It's the Apollo moon lander of its day compared to the Space Shuttle!

    Having said that, it might be fun to think about how Matt Jeffries would have approached the Phoenix's design. I'm reasonably sure he'd keep the bell nozzle at the end of the ship. He might keep the stage separation after launch, since that was a common feature of Apollo-era designs, but he was also of a time when science-fiction typically imagined space vehicles with single-stage-to-orbit capabilities. So I'd argue he'd go for a more streamlined rocket with a smooth capsule, possibly with two fixed-fins starting halfway down serving as struts for the warp engines. A third fixed-fin would balance out the symmetry and support a domed radar dish. If Roddenberry told him it looked too much like something Chelsey Bonestell would do, he might adopt the idea of extendable drive units that stretch out like they do on the First Contact version, but there'd be no fairing separation to reveal the engines -- at launch, they'd be housed in exposed recesses on either side of the fuselage and extend in orbit. A radar dish would pop up after being folded back against the fuselage.
     
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  5. uniderth

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    It would look like this:



    Stock footage of a Gemini launch, because budget.
     
  6. Spaceship Jo

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    Are we all just talking (thinking?) past the initial question? I took it to mean "what would the combination of shapes that makes up the Pheonix look like with a smooth TOS style exterior and maybe some other Jefferies style modifications?" as opposed to what it would look like if Jefferies had designed it or how it fits into Trek chronology, etc.
     
  7. Blip

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    I'm guessing you're not very familiar with the TrekBBS, then.... ;)
     
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  8. Acenos

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    like this?
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    i even made a rocket for it:
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  9. CaptainMurdock

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    I took a stab at it.
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  10. Acenos

    Acenos Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Awesome.
     
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  11. CaptainMurdock

    CaptainMurdock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Thanks. :)
     
  12. Chaos Descending

    Chaos Descending Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Are those Y-Wing fighter engines?
     
  13. CaptainMurdock

    CaptainMurdock Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Yes.
     
  14. Tenacity

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    Who knew that Wernher von Braun was still alive in the Trek-verse 2160's?
     
  15. Acenos

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    before star trek, most sci fi vehicles were either flying saucers or rockets.
     
  16. uniderth

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    Are you suggesting a Jupiter 2 style Phoenix? :luvlove:
     
  17. publiusr

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    Nah, they took the Jupiters out of Turkey ;)