Looks like I picked the wrong week to quite sniffing glue!
TOS rethunk...
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Looks like I picked the wrong week to quite sniffing glue!
Go here for an interesting review of twenty minutes of footage: http://chud.com/articles/articles/17106/1/STAR-TREK-FOOTAGE-THE-WRATH-OF-CHUD/Page1.html
I find this interesting because it echoes much of my own skepticism.
I find this interesting because it echoes much of my own skepticism.
I see this and Trek 90210 immediately springs to mind.
I admit I can't get past this. I can get rebooting or resetting the franchise for a newer audience and admittedly one that doesn't include me. But TOS isn't a long forgotten and obscure tv show. It's been with us steadily since 1966. I just cannot see anyone replacing Shatner and Nimoy and Kelly and the rest.
Yeah, it's a bit different than recasting Lost In Space. The original cast is iconic, and it's weird to see them replaced. Part of me wants to just let classic trek rest in peace, and part of me is excited about seeing it "resurrected" in some way.
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I think we all knew one day TOS would be recast. It potentially could've happened as far back as when Harve Bennett wanted to develop a Starfleet Academy movie in 1989-'90. I never knew about this until reading Star Trek Movie Memories by William Shatner in 1994, but the idea was out there. I thought 90210 too.
Then I read about it again in 1997 when there was a book released about Star Trek: Phase II. I can't remember the exact title of the book but it speculated that Ph2 would probably not have been able to sustain itself in the long run, the fourth network might not have either, both would be gone, and Star Trek would not become a movie series after having been cancelled early twice. The speculation was biased in favor of things turning out the way they did but the authors also speculated that Star Trek would've probably been resurrected in the '90s as a movie remake then said we might've seen Arnold Schwartzeneggar as Captain Kirk and Whitney Houston as Uhura. The point is, they thought Star Trek would've been recast if there were no other productions after Phase 2.
I figure that TUC was made to cash in on the 25th Anniversarry in 1991 because TNG was keeping Star Trek alive at that point. Without TNG, TFF would've been the last for about 10 years and then we'd get a reboot 10 years before we actually are. All the TNG movies did was delay the inevitable.
In a TV Guide Special in 1995, Rick Berman said DS9 and VOY movies would be pushing it and I knew TNG movies, like the TOS movies, wouldn't go on forever. I wasn't making the immediate connection that TOS would be rebooted at the time but it wouldn't have surprised me if I were told back then.
To anyone this might apply to: please don't argue about whether or not it's a reboot. That's not my point and I don't care if you think it's a reboot or not. My point is I think the TOS characters would've been recast eventually.
Then I read about it again in 1997 when there was a book released about Star Trek: Phase II. I can't remember the exact title of the book but it speculated that Ph2 would probably not have been able to sustain itself in the long run, the fourth network might not have either, both would be gone, and Star Trek would not become a movie series after having been cancelled early twice. The speculation was biased in favor of things turning out the way they did but the authors also speculated that Star Trek would've probably been resurrected in the '90s as a movie remake then said we might've seen Arnold Schwartzeneggar as Captain Kirk and Whitney Houston as Uhura. The point is, they thought Star Trek would've been recast if there were no other productions after Phase 2.
I figure that TUC was made to cash in on the 25th Anniversarry in 1991 because TNG was keeping Star Trek alive at that point. Without TNG, TFF would've been the last for about 10 years and then we'd get a reboot 10 years before we actually are. All the TNG movies did was delay the inevitable.
In a TV Guide Special in 1995, Rick Berman said DS9 and VOY movies would be pushing it and I knew TNG movies, like the TOS movies, wouldn't go on forever. I wasn't making the immediate connection that TOS would be rebooted at the time but it wouldn't have surprised me if I were told back then.
To anyone this might apply to: please don't argue about whether or not it's a reboot. That's not my point and I don't care if you think it's a reboot or not. My point is I think the TOS characters would've been recast eventually.
ST-One
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I agree.
You know what gets me (well, one of the things) with this latest take on Star Trek? In TOS and TMP they made an effort to look genuinely forward, to look like something other than everything else that was being done at the time. Hell, TMP still looks better than the vast majority of what sci-fi has given us since. Abrahm's project is emulating the general sci-fi look that's been the convention since Star Wars in '77.
This really bugs me. Many will say that unless you have that industrial look (Microsoft interbred with an oil rig) then it won't look futuristic. Oh, Really?
Does a modern jet aircraft not look advanced because it doesn't have a prop and wing struts and looks made of canvas? Then why does a far future starship have to look like an interesting shape that mated with an offshore oil rig to look futuristic?
This really bugs me. Many will say that unless you have that industrial look (Microsoft interbred with an oil rig) then it won't look futuristic. Oh, Really?
Does a modern jet aircraft not look advanced because it doesn't have a prop and wing struts and looks made of canvas? Then why does a far future starship have to look like an interesting shape that mated with an offshore oil rig to look futuristic?
ST-One
Vice Admiral
The new Enterprise does not at all look industrial.
Neither did the TMP-Refit.
But from that movie alone we got:
- the drydock - industrial
- the orbital office complex - industrial
- the workbee - industrial
- the Vulcan/starfleet warpsled-shuttle - industrial
- the detailing of the Klingon cruisers - industrial
- the Epsilon IX listening post - industrial
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