Too Many Commanders?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Farscape One, Mar 15, 2019.

  1. Farscape One

    Farscape One Commodore Commodore

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    This seems somewhat trivial, I will admit. But for a ship with about 150 crew, why are there so many Commanders?

    Saru
    Michael Burnham
    Nhan
    Jett Reno

    Not to mention several Lt. Commanders, with Airiam, Hugh Culber (though I am not sure if he is back on active duty yet officially), and Paul Stamets, though he was recently promoted to that rank.

    On TNG, until Troi completed the Bridge Officers test, there were only 2 commanders, Riker and Crusher.

    Why so many high ranks in a such a small ship?
     
  2. USS Triumphant

    USS Triumphant Vice Admiral Admiral

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    One might argue that the only "natural" Commanders on the ship are Saru and Burnham. Jett Reno is basically a rescue that they haven't re-homed yet. ;) And Nhan came with Pike under irregular circumstances.
     
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  3. Farscape One

    Farscape One Commodore Commodore

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    Perhaps, but that still is pretty top heavy. 2 commanders on a ship with under 150 crew?

    The Enterprise-D had 1,000 with 2 commanders. Still a big gap.
     
  4. mr.peany

    mr.peany Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Well
    Well only 2 that we knew of...unless there is a crew manifest that I am unaware of...
     
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  5. Timelord Victorious

    Timelord Victorious Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Enterprise D had more commanders.
    Commander Darren for example who was assigned as chief of astrography.

    Then we had one ore more chief engineers in season 1 with that rank.

    There might be more I can‘t think of right now.
     
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  6. Noname Given

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    Burnham and Saru served on the Shenzou for 7 years prior to being ultimately assigned to the Discovery. Plus, Pike and the crew he brought over from the 1701 Enterprise were also long serving veterans. Also, Pike's assignment is ultimately temporary (current situation of him being a fugitive notwithstanding ;)) and he and the crew he brought over will ultimately return to complete their tour aboard Enterprise.

    The current situation on Discovery is less ridiculous than the situation TNG set up post TNG S3/S4 - "The Best of Both Worlds" (the fact that William Riker PASSED UP three offers of being promoted to Captain of his own ship was ridiculous in itself before BoBW) in that Sttarfleet has lost a TON of experienced officers, so 6 months to a year later (once ships had been rebuilt) Starfleet SHOULD have been pulling a number of the experienced 1701-D Bridge crew off the ship to either Captain or train the new replacement cadets just coming out of Starfleet Academy to crew these ships...but no, EVERYBODY stayed with the ship. :wtf::rommie:
     
  7. Farscape One

    Farscape One Commodore Commodore

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    Actually, each of those examples were Lt. Commanders, not full bird Commanders like Riker and Crusher.

    Lt. Cmdrs. are typically called 'commander' in short. Data, Geordi, Worf, Dax, Tuvok were all referred to as 'commander' many times, and they were all Lt. Cmdrs.
     
  8. KennyB

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    Yes I think it is trivial. You have 2 commanders assigned as permanent party crew members.
     
  9. Kor

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    At least they don't have a plethora of captains like the Enterprise-A in the movies.

    Kor
     
  10. NewHeavensNewEarth

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    I think that was a Captain Morgan commercial.
     
  11. Jedman67

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    It's because the writers of Discovery are stupid and don't know how many canon commanders there should be.....

    OR

    No one gives a damn.
     
  12. Mark_Nguyen

    Mark_Nguyen Commodore Commodore

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    In practice, we know the E-A crew was an exception to the rule by virtue of being the best damn crew in the fleet and not breaking up a good thing. Thus we Kirk, Spock (who made Captain prior to TWOK), and Scotty (who was made Excelsior's "Captain of Engineering" in TSFS for some reason). You could even throw in Sulu, if you accept that he was to be promoted to Excelsior's big chair before Genesis threw everything around and he accepted a temporary reduction in rank (per the novels) to keep serving on Enterprise while he waited.

    On Discovery, you COULD argue that Saru's rank is a bit of an anomaly as well, given that the majority of first officers we see in Trek are Lt. Commander by rank (notably in the TNG era, but including Spock, Chakotay, the Odyssey's XO, Sisko on the Saratoga, etc.). I'd always thought that a ship's first officer is typically a Lt. Commander, unless it's a particularly important ship where a "senior" XO is necessary given such a ship may have lots of other Lt. Commanders aboard already. Full commanders would otherwise be in charge of facilities (Starbase 79, DS9, etc.), or smaller ships (little evidence for this, aside from MAYBE the Defiant), and Captains for senior facility commanders and of course Starships.

    Mark
     
  13. DaveyNY

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    At least we now know for sure that Spock is at this time, only a Lieutenant.
    He said so to Admiral Cornwell.
    :techman:
     
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  14. Awesome Possum

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    Exactly, Nhan is only there because of Pike and Reno will likely be reassigned as soon as they get to a Starbase. She’s basically just riding along and helping out where they need it. Then Saru may get promoted and we’ll be back to just one.
     
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    That's classified.
     
  18. Timelord Victorious

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    You‘re right.
    Could have sworn that at least Darren was a full Commander.
     
  19. Mr. Adventure

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    I thought it seemed a little funny given that everyone in Starfleet seems to know who he is. I guess that's due to the circumstances but still...
     
  20. Delta Vega

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    There are always "too many chiefs. . . ."
    Or "too many cooks. . . .etc"
     
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