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Tone down the angst, Supernatural!

Joe Washington

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I mean how much angst can we (the viewers) take?

Each season just ups the ante of personal angst:

First season's angst was about Sam and Dean missing their disappeared father, the estrangement of Sam and Dean's relationship after years of separation, and Sam mourning Jessica's death and his desire of revenge aganist the Yellow-Eyed Demon.

Second season's angst was about Sam and Dean losing their father tragically, the toll of what John told Dean prior to his death heavily weighing on Dean along with his survivor's guilt, and Sam learning about the demon part of him.

Third season's angst was about Sam struggling with the fact that his brother has one year to live and Dean being hit with the horrific reality later on of what happens after his year to live is over.

Fourth season's angst was about the personal trauma of Dean's time in Hell, Sam's dark obsession with defeating Lilith and his growing addiction to demon blood, and the wall of lies and secrets between the brothers becoming bigger and bigger.

Fifth season's angst was about the brothers' damaged relationship post-S4, the guilt they both shared in triggering the chain of events that led to Lucifer's release, and Dean's downward spiral of depression brought on by Ellen and Jo's deaths.

And sixth season's angst has so far been about more tension in the Sam-Dean relationship that never seems to stop. This time, it's due to Sam lacking a soul, his tendency to lie and keep secrets, and never seeming to care about anything or anyone. There's some angst revolving around how Dean's return to the hunting life has estranged his relationship with Lisa and Ben.

I mean the people in charge of the show are dangerously close to making Sam and Dean into people who are damaged beyond repair along with their relationship which is the heart of the show. I mean because of the amount of angst in this show, I'm hesitant about watching old repeats of the show because of reminders of that season's certain angst arc.

Now I not saying to get rid of the angst entirely because pain is a part of life whether we like it or not. But there seems to be too much of it that could prevent people from fully enjoying the show and ruin the characters for good. Just tone it down a bit, give the characters some light at the end of the tunnel instead of a wringer of tragedies, broken relationships, and heavy brotherly conflicts. Give it a rest already. I mean you can have the brothers' conflict be external instead of internal. Make it more about the monsters they are fighting than a stream of personal issues that continue to make their relationship into an unhealthy, dysfunctional relationship that should be severed instead of being barely mended and pushed back into action before it can make a full recovery.
 
"Tone down the angst"?

Have you ONLY just started watching this show?

For me, the show ended last season(and even then it was just something that sat in the corner of my screen while I surfed elsewhere)and it had overstayed its welcome by AT LEAST a season then.

Good riddance!
 
It's on CW...angst is their specialty, and hey if we "Smallville" folks can have it force fed to us for ten years so can you guys.
 
I wouldn't call the constant, retconning, overblown melodrama of Smallville "angst." Not of the dramatic kind.
 
I agree. It's somewhat ruined the series for me. In the first 2 seasons it really didn't bother me and I guess seemed more understandable. Now I roll my eyes during every episode of Supernatural.
 
Sorry but how would these characters have these lives without being swallowed by angst. Seriously. The problem is their isn't nearly enough angst, it should truly be the darkest character driven show on television, for its material.

The sad thing is it isn't.
 
Sorry but how would these characters have these lives without being swallowed by angst. Seriously. The problem is their isn't nearly enough angst, it should truly be the darkest character driven show on television, for its material.

The sad thing is it isn't.
 
It's on CW...angst is their specialty, and hey if we "Smallville" folks can have it force fed to us for ten years so can you guys.

The difference is that Smallville doesn't nor as it ever really taken itself seriously. Character arcs are well formed, characters don't believe in a realistic manner in the situations they are in.

Sure they are on the same network and both were originally aimed at the same youth market, but SN really has tried to remove itself from any trappings of being a "Teen" show.

Its exceptionally rare for Smallville to invoke a real emotional connection to the characters, because the characters aren't well drawn out.

Plot might be SN weakness, but its characters, their motivations, and their portrayal are far, far more adult.
 
Sorry but how would these characters have these lives without being swallowed by angst. Seriously. The problem is their isn't nearly enough angst, it should truly be the darkest character driven show on television, for its material.

The sad thing is it isn't.

I'm watching my way through the first season now.

And, yeah, now that I think about it--I'm surprised these two guys aren't drug-addicted, alcoholic, shell-shocked wrecks. :lol:
 
Sorry but how would these characters have these lives without being swallowed by angst. Seriously. The problem is their isn't nearly enough angst, it should truly be the darkest character driven show on television, for its material.

The sad thing is it isn't.

I'm watching my way through the first season now.

And, yeah, now that I think about it--I'm surprised these two guys aren't drug-addicted, alcoholic, shell-shocked wrecks. :lol:
Well Dean does use liquid courage as a means to deal with his life, and we certainly see Dean descend into a shell shocked mess and Sam certainly had his issues with addiction and you do see how far he falls as well, but the show often (be it at the networks request or their own judgment) will often go to a lighter episode where the characters still suffer but its clearly not crippling them. That was my single biggest problem with season 5. And Can I just say 8 episode in and we haven't had a humor episode (thats this week). Last year by episode 9 4 episode were either light material or out and out humor. Thank god we aren't repeating that.
 
I love season six. It's been a pleasant surprise. It really kicked into gear in episode five.

And you were very, very much against a year 6. I was always cautiously hopeful, but thought season five was a definite decline in quality from its best season. But besides a disappointing opener, I have liked every episode (though I don't think they had a Great episode yet this episode).

But as much as I love the angst, I really, really want Sam back (of course then we will get to deal with Sam's experience in hell).
 
I have a feeling Sam won't be whole until mid-season and then the second half of the season would have to deal with the emotional scars of Sam's time in Hell along with everything he's done during the time he was without a soul.
 
I hope Sera goes balls to the wall with that. I think Padalecki has grown a great deal as an actor. I hope his devastation is messy as hell.
 
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