"Tomorrow Is Yesterday"

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  1. No Grave Found

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    Lol - I never considered that... That may be Spock did pull Kirk and Scotty aside and say:

    "We need to get rid of the anomalies on the ship that are Captain Christopher and the Sergeant. We can tell them we're going to beam them back to the locations we originally beamed them out of; but if Mr Scott would just cancel the remainder of the materialization procedure; that, logically, will take care of our problem, and both men will go on to do what they were supposed to do in history with no advance knowledge of the future..."
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    Works for me.:angel:
     
  2. Agent 13

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    Grisly, but satisfactory.

    The answer that satisfied Christopher was:

    SPOCK: Logically, as we move faster and faster toward the sun, we'll begin to move backward in time. We'll actually go back beyond yesterday, beyond the point when we first appeared in the sky. Then, breaking free will shoot us forward in time, and we'll transport you back before any of this happened.
    KIRK: You won't have anything to remember, because it never would have happened.​

    “It never would have happened” because Christopher and the guard never rematerialized, and Enterprise didn’t beam them up in the reiterated “first place.”

    Oh, Tuvix!
     
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  3. IMC Headquarters

    IMC Headquarters Fleet Captain Premium Member

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    Meanwhile, Captain Braxton trades notes with Annorax on how to finally solve the "Captain Christopher Conundrum"...

    Beautifully put. Yes. Quite poetically sensible.
     
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  4. Guy Gardener

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    Braxton called it "integration".
     
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  5. IMC Headquarters

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    Um...maybe that's why they installed a shiny new replicator/food synthesizer in the transporter room... Raw material for chicken soup readily at hand....
     
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  6. STEPhon IT

    STEPhon IT Commodore Commodore

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    Oh Boy! Here we go again. The transporter, like most of the tech on Star Trek is magic, it is make pretend; either you get it or you don't. Merging two humans into each other can be done, like two beings can be beamed from and to a location and on one transporter pad, where it can ludicrously separate a beings DNA patterns to create a positive and negative individual people.
     
  7. Ricky Spanish

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    I’m not sure they were merged.
     
  8. oldtrekkie

    oldtrekkie Captain Red Shirt

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    This reminds me of an episode of "The Outer Limits" where they had a transporter pretty much like Star Trek's except that they didn't destroy the body right away, the contraption waited for a confirmation that the person was rematerialized at the destination before destroying the body inside it. Of course, that meant that for a while there were two bodies. In the episode, there was a malfunction and the transporter didn't get that confirmation even though the person was on the other side. So they thought that the transport had failed and for a whole day the person lived waiting for a second try... When the transporter chief (O'Brien's colleague) learned what happened, it turned out that his job was to eliminate the person in such a case. It gave him some pause because he had become attached to the woman however after a while he did his duty and shot her...
     
  9. BK613

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    Don't remember what he said about that but I figure if choosing a tie color can split timelines and cause two universes to be where one was before, without halving their masses, then zipping two timelines into one can put stuff back together without doubling the mass.
     
  10. blssdwlf

    blssdwlf Commodore Commodore

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    In "The Enemy Within" the crew figured out how to merge two Kirks without doubling the mass so doing it again should not be a problem. My guess is that the Enterprise was shielded from the timeline effects as it was traveling thru time and when Christopher and the guard were beamed down they lost that protection and were overwritten with the updated timeline as the Enterprise moving thru time was changing it. They were not killed by the transporter but erased by the timeline change. (Or one could imagine a split branch where they exist and there is also the wreckage of the F104, etc.)
     
  11. Agent 13

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    In all seriousity, I think that’s precisely what Fontana and Black had in mind when they wrote Spock and Kirk’s explanation to Christopher. Your exposition, though, is more rigorously thought out and I appreciate it.
     
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  12. oldtrekkie

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    I still think the "merge beaming" is pointless and doesn't make any sense. It's just there for effect. They could have as well done it like in "Time's Orphan" where the "alternate" Molly simply disappears once the "regular" Molly is rescued seconds after the accident. It would have made more sense if both had disappeared the same way once the regular timeline had been restored. They chose to do it this way, which doesn't make any sense, so be it.
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    Seven was integrated with a blessing of dead Sevens.
     
  14. Timo

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    It doesn't much matter what was intended here, by the writers or by the characters. The Christopher and Sarge who got to fly in space end up dead anyway. After the transport is completed, their bodies no longer exist; their memories no longer exist. There's nothing left of them.

    Which is, as put above, grisly but satisfactory.

    The take-home lesson here actually is that by going to high warp close to Sol, you not only travel backward in time - you end up moving through space remarkably slowly for a starship flying at warp-off-the-dial! Slowly enough that you linger close to Earth for the better part of a minute to allow for two distinct beam-downs.

    This is the first time high warp is slow as molasses close to a star. But not the last, oh, no. I guess the best bits of Star Trek are the unintended ones, the tiny goof-ups accumulating into features of this fictional universe, and ultimately making tons of scifi sense...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
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    They've integrated dead Sevens and live ones into one...
     
  16. oldtrekkie

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    This goes along with Vulcan being "millions of light-years" away...
     
  17. Timo

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    ...Aka "Spock being out of his mind"?

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  18. Dr. Kravaal

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    Exaggerations.

    I have a timeline detachment theory…but that may not entirely be needed here. Now remember…the transporter could revert someone back into health…so if you can match the previous beam…you put the person back in the same state he left…no memory. The transporter beam had them going and coming.

    The “earlier” Enterprise is what disappeared as Rose Tyler and the Ninth Doctor did, perhaps.

    Maybe the warp allows Enterprise to be a bit outside of things when embedded within a stars more natural warp in the fabric of space. Christopher had a good explanation of his own in a page on time travel awhile back.

    IRL, phys.org had a blurb about dark energy perhaps coming from the Sun’s magnetic field…as per a Doctor Sunny Vagnozzi of XENON1T according to the University of Cambridge.

    Perhaps the black sun that started all this wasn’t just a black hole after all.
     
  19. IMC Headquarters

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    There exists a record of the Enterprise's trip to Earth. The ship was picked up on radar. An interceptor was scrambled to investigate. The pilot, Captain Christopher, tracked it visually until it vanished from the timeline. Did his wing camera activate in time to capture images of the ship? Blackjack stated firmly, "We don't track mirages." Hmm...
     
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  20. Guy Gardener

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