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TNT announces summer lineup (Dallas, Falling Skies, etc)

I took a moment to google and came up with this:

http://www.thefutoncritic.com/ratin...stands-as-most-watched-794305/cable_20110725/

The TV by the Numbers page is dated Dec 14, 2011 and the Futon Critic page is dated July 25, 2011, but the difference in the lists is very instructive I think. The Closer is closing out, but they're going to try to spin off Mary McDonnell in a series called Major Crimes. And of course we will still be blessed with Butch & Lipstick (Rizzoli & Isles) for some time. Much as I'd like it to be different, Falling Skies is not TNT's highest rated show.

The numbers for Jersey Shore are appalling, in a cultural criticism sort of way.
 
One list summarizes one night and the other summarizes one year. I fail to see what is at all interesting about comparing the two.
 
If The Closer and Rizzoli & Isles had audiences of 6 million+, then Falling Skies 3 million+ doesn't make it the number nine series on basic cable. The other page, despite what it says, doesn't give the year averages. Incidentally, live+7 is the least useful data. Live+same night (i.e., time shifted viewing) is pretty much all the advertisers care about. Also incidentally, WWE Raw counts.

The comparison is interesting because it shows the pitfalls of taking the business press too seriously. The underlying notion that business people are too damn practical and competent to tolerate flackery is rather naive.
 
Eagerly awaiting the premiere of Dallas. Everyone has one thing they love that they shouldn't, and mine is that damn '80s soap Dallas. I just wish they hadn't ignored the reunion movies for this sequel series. Oh well. Something's better than nothing I suppose.
 
Rizzolie and Isles is an awesome show. also looking forward to Falling skies and Dallas. I love the original series.
 
stj said:
If The Closer and Rizzoli & Isles had audiences of 6 million+, then Falling Skies 3 million+ doesn't make it the number nine series on basic cable.
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If The Closer and Rizzoli & Isles were in the top 20 for the year then I think they would have been in the top 20 list for the year. Just a wild guess. It looks like your list is total audience. Mine is 18-49. Try reading more closely next time.

Here's a nice summation of the difference. Falling Skies has a far better demo than the shows you cited. Since that's all that matters to advertisers, the 18-49 number is the relevant one.

TNT continues to command tremendous growth through time-shifted viewing, according to the latest Live + 7 data. The Aug. 1 episode of The Closer grew its audience to 8.5 million viewers, 2.6 million adults 18-49 and 3.3 million adults 25-54. Rizzoli & Isles solidified its ranking as basic cable’s most-watched drama with 8.9 million viewers for the Aug. 1 episode, which also scored 2.8 million adults 18-49 and 3.6 million adults 25-54. Falling Skies, basic cable’s top drama among key adult demos, wrapped its tremendously successful first season with more than 7.4 million viewers, 3.4 million adults 18-49 and 3.8 million adults 25-54 for the two-hour Aug. 7 season finale.
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The comparison is interesting because it shows the pitfalls of taking the business press too seriously.
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Both sites are perfectly reputable. The numbers in your list are "courtesy of TravisYanan" who lists the site that I cited - TV By The Numbers - on his blog as "recommended" to visit. Kind of odd that he'd recommend that people go visit a hotbed of bullshit and flackery.

This exchange only shows the perils of taking your incoherent attempts to participate in discussions too seriously. :rofl:
 
There is never any way that I could possibly be remotely as incoherent as someone claiming that the 18-49 demo is the only relevant one while talking about live+7 ratings. Advertisers aren't interested in live+7 ratings. (If anything, I was too cautious in thinking live+overnight ratings mattered!) That alone renders your observations incoherent.

You're also mistaken in thinking the omission of WWE Raw from the "year" average doesn't matter. Advertisers no more care about what fills the time between ads any more than they care about total ratings. That too renders your observations incoherent.

I've already pointed out these defects. Trying to be rude about what you think is my mistake while making the very same mistake is incoherent. The problem seems to stem from some bizarre servile mind set where you identify with advertisers.

Unlike you, I know I'm not an advertiser and am interest in ratings as signs of popularity as a way of judging whether something about a program appeals to other people (and sometimes speculate about what it might be.) You're apparently all thrilled to be part of the cool demographic, but considering you guys like Jersy Shore the best, I'm don't see why.

Not so incidentally this time, the total viewers for The Closer and Rizzoli & Isles cited in your latest link also contradict the figures in the page I cited. (Honesty compels me to admit that I was pleased to find confirmation for my assumption that the 18-49 figures for Falling Skies showed it couldn't have beaten The Closer or Rizzoli & Isles in total ratings.) Yet the person who assembled the figures in the futoncritic page is hailed as an authority for the validity for the TV by the Numbers page? Well, perhaps you meant that ironically. Nonetheless, in addition to the genuinely nutty insistence on babbling about the advertisers' 18-49 demo while ignoring the worthlessness to advertisers' of time-shifted viewing (except, maybe, the overnights?), it's obvious you have no comprehension of difficulty of comparing statistics when you keep ignoring things like live+3 and live+7.

If you want a tip, try focusing on the most valid statistics, which is total live viewers. Everything else tends to devolve into BS and PR flackery, which is what the reputable sites specialize in. And if you're trying to add to discussion about popularity, that's the most reliable statistic there too. If there's some sort of psychotic fear of old age cooties crawling out of the screen when shows the oldies like are on TV, why, write a screenplay for David Cronenberg!
 
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I don't know if I'll be watching Falling Skies unless something drastic changes. They took an interesting concept and approached it really half-assed and underwhelming like Terra Nova and The Killing.
 
They released a video preview of Falling Skies, but I wouldn't bother looking for it - was just a bunch of generic-looking action blam-pow. If Tom's time with the aliens has some interesting repercussions, that could pivot the show into something worthwhile.
 
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