I'm sure this has been discussed before and I apologize for forgetting but what became of the Cmdr Martin Madden character who was to have replaced Will Riker as first officer of the Enterprise?
TNG Relaunch: What happened to Madden?
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Anybody from Pocket care to comment on the choice?
They'd just say the same basic things Smiley said. Madden wasn't really a character, just the butt of a badly conceived joke that was cut from the film for very, very good reason. There was nothing there to build on, no reason to make use of this minor figure from a scene that wasn't even in the actual movie.
That's cool. I knew I was bringing up an old subject. Thanks for the answers, all.
Also, it made no sense for Worf not to be the first officer, since first officer of the Enterprise is actually a lateral move from where he was on Deep Space 9. To give him a position less than that of first officer would be to demote him, and Worf has done nothing to earn a demotion.
Smiley said:
It was a deleted scene, so Madden never canonically existed. The people working for Pocket Books could choose to use him or lose him, and they chose the latter. The new first officer is much cooler, anyway.
Darn right! Who needs that Madden guy anyways.
^^Maybe the fact that Worf was his wife's ex-boyfriend had something to do with it? 
Worf turned down Riker to stay on the Enterprise. that was in ATF Tolstoy.
Um, actually, didn't Picard request Worf after Data died?
I covered this in A Time for War, a Time for Peace. Worf was going to be Riker's XO, but after Data (who was to be the new XO on the Big E) died fighting Shinzon, Picard requested Worf remain on the Enterprise.
(The out-of-the-box reason is that Nemesis ended with Worf summoning Picard to the bridge, which means Worf was still serving on the Big E, since that was after Riker had gone off to Titan.
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You mean, besides bailing on a critical undercover mission to hold his wounded wife's hand?
It was worth a reprimand, which he received, but not a demotion.
^ Not to mention, it's been years since that incident, and in the interim he has served with distinction as a Federation ambassador to Qo'noS, helped prevent a war, commanded the Defiant against the Borg, helped save Earth again, and helped stop Shinzon from wreaking havoc on countless worlds, including (yet again) Earth.
I think the glowing commendations on his service record, coupled with his political connections, more than outweigh that one reprimand, for which he wasn't even demoted at the time it happened.
I think the glowing commendations on his service record, coupled with his political connections, more than outweigh that one reprimand, for which he wasn't even demoted at the time it happened.
I'm repeating what others have already said, but...You mean, besides bailing on a critical undercover mission to hold his wounded wife's hand?
1) That incident happened in 2374. He wasn't demoted for it at the time.
2) Nemesis (and A Time for War, a Time for Peace) took place in late 2379. In the intervening five years, Worf was a hero during the Dominion War (among other things, he was the one who alerted the allies to Damar's resistance, a rather major bit of intel), and then served for four years as the Federation Ambassador to the Klingon Empire.
Boy, lots of Worf loyalists in the crowd tonight.. 
Just playin' a little devil's advocate, fellas.
I'm convinced now, OK?
Just playin' a little devil's advocate, fellas.
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