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TNG Cast's Opinions on Generations Director

Well, don't forget that they did go with a feature film director for Nemesis. Nobody here seems to have liked that movie.... :)

The problems with Baird aren't that he came from film and not TV. Berman took a risk taking on someone mostly unfamiliar with Trek, and unlike Meyer and, in my opinion, Abrams, it didn't pay-off. Baird simply wasn't the right person to helm a Trek film.
 
The problems with Baird aren't that he came from film and not TV. Berman took a risk taking on someone mostly unfamiliar with Trek, and unlike Meyer and, in my opinion, Abrams, it didn't pay-off. Baird simply wasn't the right person to helm a Trek film.
None of the motion picture directors were familiar with it, Baird is the only one who just approached it like a typical movie instead of a part of a larger canvas. Whatever his unfamiliarity, the movie looked great and was paced better than most of them. It's a solid action movie but not the best Star Trek.
 
None of the motion picture directors were familiar with it, Baird is the only one who just approached it like a typical movie instead of a part of a larger canvas. Whatever his unfamiliarity, the movie looked great and was paced better than most of them. It's a solid action movie but not the best Star Trek.

Nimoy, Shatner, Carson, and Frakes certainly were familiar with it. Or maybe you meant the directors who came from films and not TV.
 
None of the motion picture directors were familiar with it, Baird is the only one who just approached it like a typical movie instead of a part of a larger canvas.
Nimoy, Shatner, Carson, and Frakes certainly were familiar with it. Or maybe you meant the directors who came from films and not TV.
Yes, obviously. Robert Wise wasn't familiar with Trek, but IIRC, his wife and daughter were both fans and were the ones who told him that he really needed to get Leonard Nimoy in the film. And while TMP missed the mark in a lot of ways, it does have more of an epic feel than any of the other Trek films and looks more like a big budget feature than any of the others..

Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett weren't fans, but they both did their homework and gleaned the essential qualities to bring to their films.

JJ Abrams was a Star Wars fan who brought more of that sensibility to Star Trek, and honestly in retrospect it's hard not to see his Trek films as just sizzle reels for the job he really wanted.

Stuart Baird just saw NEM as a stepping stone towards a directing career after decades of editing films. I don't think he particularly cared if it was Trek or some generic action film like Speed.

I don't think I've ever heard one way or another about whether or not Justin Lin was a Trek fan.
 
Stuart Baird just saw NEM as a stepping stone towards a directing career after decades of editing films. I don't think he particularly cared if it was Trek or some generic action film like Speed.
Paramount apparently "owed" him a film after he did uncredited editing for them on two other pieces of crap (Mission: Impossible 2, and Lara Croft), and so we got stuck with him on Trek. Which ironically was actually the death of his directing career. Three strikes, he's out!

I don't think I've ever heard one way or another about whether or not Justin Lin was a Trek fan.
He absolutely is. And has been since childhood.
 
Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett weren't fans, but they both did their homework and gleaned the essential qualities to bring to their films.
I've always thought that the combination of Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett was magical, as we saw in TWOK and TVH. Bennett wanted to respect the source material; Meyer wanted to make it his own. And some of both was needed. But I've never cared for Meyer by himself, which we got in TUC. He went too far afield with that one, IMHO.
 
Paramount apparently "owed" him a film after he did uncredited editing for them on two other pieces of crap (Mission: Impossible 2, and Lara Croft), and so we got stuck with him on Trek. Which ironically was actually the death of his directing career. Three strikes, he's out!
Which honestly I think is a shame. Baird edited my favorite movie, Superman the Movie (he got an Academy Award nomination for it, too), and I thought U.S. Marshalls was decently directed. That movie had its problems, but they were more with the script than the direction. I never saw Executive Decision, but as I recall that did all right.
He absolutely is. And has been since childhood.
That's cool. I didn't know that. Glad he got the gig. :)
I've always thought that the combination of Nicholas Meyer and Harve Bennett was magical, as we saw in TWOK and TVH. Bennett wanted to respect the source material; Meyer wanted to make it his own. And some of both was needed. But I've never cared for Meyer by himself, which we got in TUC. He went too far afield with that one, IMHO.
I've always liked Meyer's philosophy of "old wine in new bottles." He shook things up in a cool way in both movies he directed. I think if you're not going to bring something new to Star Trek, there's not much reason to take the job.
 
JJ Abrams was a Star Wars fan who brought more of that sensibility to Star Trek, and honestly in retrospect it's hard not to see his Trek films as just sizzle reels for the job he really wanted.
Still, the two silk purses preceded his sow-eared replicas. He never licked TREK to death.
 
I've always liked Meyer's philosophy of "old wine in new bottles." He shook things up in a cool way in both movies he directed. I think if you're not going to bring something new to Star Trek, there's not much reason to take the job.
He did great things with TWOK and TVH. But I really feel like he missed the mark in many ways with TUC, and that's the one that he did without Bennett. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the movie. However, even Meyer admits that rather than "bending" things, he actually managed to "break" them with that film.

The openly racist attitudes of the Enterprise crew, for example, were extreme enough that even Shatner, who is normally amenable to anything, protested. Or his famous little eyeroll-inducing touches like having Uhura sitting at her console with a stack of books trying to deal with the Klingons.

I dunno. A lot of things about TUC just don't work for me, and I really do think much of it has to do with not having the counterbalancing force of Harve Bennett, who felt a sincere respect for the source material.
 
I really do think much of it has to do with not having the counterbalancing force of Harve Bennett
Didn't seem to help Final Frontier. ;)

(I say that as someone who has really come to appreciate ST5 for what it is.)
 
Didn't seem to help Final Frontier. ;)

(I say that as someone who has really come to appreciate ST5 for what it is.)
No, that's my point. I think Bennett and Meyer were best as a team. Either of them alone was Abbott without Costello. Laurel without Hardy. Kirk without Spock. Each had their own talents and strengths, but neither individually worked as well as the team of them together. (And I'm a fan of TFF as well.)
 
I know it's just a typo but I'm oddly tickled by the image of "Laurel and Harvey". ;)
I was obviously thinking about the legendary pairing of Laurel Goodwin (from "The Cage") and Steve Harvey.

lol, actually I just went back and fixed it.
 
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