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TMP and the “origin story”

Warped9

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Strictly speaking TMP isn’t an origin story given it was based on a pre-existing work, the original Star Trek series. Fans already knew these characters and their dynamics with each other. Indeed one of the criticisms of many fans was that the characters did not feel right with each other until the latter part of the film.

From a realistic standpoint depicting the characters trying to find their grooves and gel with each again after some years apart makes sense. It’s just that a lot of fans couldn’t seem to grasp or accept that—they wanted what was familiar from the get-go.

Nonetheless the powers-that-be felt compelled to depict the crew getting back together after some years apart rather than show them in their still familiar places. They wanted to acknowledge the passage of time similar to the time that had passed in the real world. That would have worked more effectively if references in the film supported a separation of about ten years rather than only three. That being the case maybe they could have opted for depicting the crew already embarked on a second 5-year voyage at the beginning of the film and gone forward from there. Of course, that would have meant coming up with more than just the Vger mystery as the main story since getting the crew together ate up a fair chunk of the film’s beginning.

On the other hand TMP does sort of serve as an origin story. If one had never seen TOS before TMP then you watched characters coming together that were obviously familiar with each other in the past before embarking on the forthcoming adventure. If you had never seen or heard of TOS before then you had no preconceptions.

In another sense TMP served as a template for all the origin stories we saw in each successive Trek series. Each of them felt compelled to have this “coming together” story. Contrast that with TOS’s first and second pilot episodes as well as the series itself where there were no origin stories. They just established things with the characters already in place and built onward from there.


This is just something I was contemplating today as I looked out the window on a sunny day following a fresh fall of snow overnight.
 
Accepted on it's own it is a fine tale. Creating the origin story requires a willingness to abandon preconceptions. That is not easy to do with 3 seasons already aired.
 
I generally see more "origin stories" in films to be wasted time. There are other way to convey the relationships between characters without a ton of exposition that slows the actual story down.

With a TV show - you can do that since you may have more time to work but, let's speculate here. If I were hired to do a remake of the original Star Trek, I would be more likely to follow the baseline of the original show's approach.

I would NOT spend a lot of time having every character be at the Academy at the same time (despite obvious age differences etc...) and then shove them together on the same ship in the same story. I might do a new pilot having SOME of the classic characters in it - probably in very different positions on different ships and SOME of them get involved in a common story over a 2-hour pilot but, NOT everyone.

Then, you could bring in one character here, one there as the show rolls. Build the 'family' up over time and have the opportunity for those characters to grow into their roles. That would probably feel more natural and therefore - the suits would have no interest!
 
TMP could also be seen as a soft reboot. There was so much that was familiar, but the overall look of the production can make it a challenge to reconcile with TOS. It could be argued TMP (and TWOK-TUC for that matter) were a different continuity albeit only slightly different. And in that respect TMP serves as an origin story given the pre TMP era could have looked and been different than what we saw in TOS.

The look of the Klingons in TMP really sets it apart from TOS, unless one accepts the popular fanon reasoning that there were variations in Klingon appearance just as there are variations in human appearance.
 
I've never found it hard to reconcile TOS and TMP, and I'm an expert at being frustrated by visual reboots. The Menagerie already showed how the ship and uniforms get updated over time, and the start of TMP is all about the problems caused by the ship being rebuilt. I can believe that the ship would look so different in-universe due to different designers and updated technology, as that's exactly what happened in real life. The Klingons are a bit of a problem, but we've got an explanation for them now in the canon so we don't even need fanon.

TMP is definitely a jumping on point but I wouldn't call it an origin story as even if TOS never existed we're still told that this is an experienced crew coming back together after a break and their circumstances are different by the time of the next film. Well, I guess it's the origin story for the refit Enterprise. If you skipped the movie, that's the only thing you'd really be missing out on.
 
I don’t like the ENT explanation for the Klingons’ change in appearance simply because it’s tied to Earth. I prefer the fanon explanation because it makes the Klingons more interesting on their own. It adds to their complexity.
 
TMP could also be seen as a soft reboot.

I hadn't seen "The Changeling" before I saw TMP, but you'd think the story of Nomad would have rated a mention as the crew debated the mystery of V'ger. ;)

... unless one accepts the popular fanon reasoning that there were variations in Klingon appearance just as there are variations in human appearance.

No need to call it "fanon". It's canonical: Kor had green/brown greasepaint. Fred Phillips forgot what he had designed with John Colicos and ended up using a caucasian greasepaint on Koloth. And Kang and Mara had reddish brown tones.
 
I don’t like the ENT explanation for the Klingons’ change in appearance simply because it’s tied to Earth.
I know what you mean, I can't stand it when things like that are tied to humans. I don't want any stories about how humans invented tribbles, or Borgs, or any of that thanks. Though personally I make an exception in this case, because it makes sense that humans would be involved in some way with the events that made Klingons look human.

No need to call it "fanon". It's canonical: Kor had green/brown greasepaint. Fred Phillips forgot what he had designed with John Colicos and ended up using a caucasian greasepaint on Koloth. And Kang and Mara had reddish brown tones.
Plus they soon started giving the bumpy-forehead Klingons their own distinctive pattern each, like a fingerprint.
 
Plus they soon started giving the bumpy-forehead Klingons their own distinctive pattern each, like a fingerprint.


Trio of Klingons, ST III
by Ian McLean, on Flickr

Which I thought was a clever move.

Coincidentally, John Colicos (TOS) had a rather natural bumpy forehead. (And later toys captured that quite well.)


Kor (left) and Kang (right) action figures by Ian McLean, on Flickr
 
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Well, that's Klingons for you.

My favorite Fanon explanation for the new look Klingons in TMP is that they used to look like TOS Klingons, but after being kicked in the butt by Kirk so many times their spines just crawled up over the tops of their heads.
 
From a realistic standpoint depicting the characters trying to find their grooves and gel with each again after some years apart makes sense. It’s just that a lot of fans couldn’t seem to grasp or accept that—they wanted what was familiar from the get-go.
Not necessarily. I just wanted the characters to feel like themselves for the majority of the film. TWOK accomplished that. TMP didn't. The Kirk and Spock that Nicholas Meyer gave us feel like plausible evolutions of the guys we saw on TOS. The ones we saw in TMP didn't. Or at least, were pretty unappealing versions of the characters, and not ones I want to spend much time with. Only McCoy felt "right" in TMP right from his first appearance, disco look aside.
 
The problem with TWOK is it started with Kirk right back where he hated being—desk bound—at the start of TMP with no explanation why. None at all.

I also hated with a passion the setup of the Enterprise as training ship followed up with it ready to be decommissioned in TSFS. Indeed as a block I find it very easy to toss all of TWOK-TUC out the window. Yeah, there are some decent character moments, but the look and feel of it all I find increasingly depressing over the years. It’s the overall winding down of our heroes. TMP was a new beginning and the rest were putting our heroes out to pasture. And while GEN was actually a TNG film it was literally the nail in the coffin for Kirk.
 
I think TWoK and the other movies captured a spirit of adventure and really got to the heart of the main characters but I do think setting it 20 years after TMP instead of 10 years after TMP would have made far more sense. In the 23rd century, 50 is not old and most of the other crew are even younger (Picard was 63 in season one) so 60 feels like more of a milestone and leaves plenty of time for adventures in between. And Scotty at 71 would feel the right age to be training recruits and working on a research project like Excelsior.

TMP finishes with more adventures to come!
 
The problem with TWOK is it started with Kirk right back where he hated being—desk bound—at the start of TMP with no explanation why. None at all.
He feels that galloping around the cosmos is a game for the young, and he's too old for it now.

In the 23rd century, 50 is not old and most of the other crew are even younger!
I think the rest of the crew would agree, it's just Kirk being depressed. The film ends with him ready to go do space adventures again.
 
Nothing would be more compelling to see the crew doing what they do best in a large introductory sequence, presenting the new Enterprise blaring out from the stars. A rescue mission or a tactical one, I feel the audience should get who they are and what they do and understand each individuals quirks (Thank you, JJ Abrams ST:ID). As I'd mention before in another thread there should've been exposition there was some expansion of the Star Trek universe where Earth was an afterthought and the Enterprise opens up in deep space saying she's already out there. I can understand why some people didn't jibe with TMP because when we're introduced to our heroes they're all over the place, whiny and acting unprofessional; taking command of the Enterprise and is completely incompetent - having brain farts on the technical nuances of the new ship. Other moments we have the science guy who is unrecognizable throughout the entire movie and doesn't appear to be having a good time on the Enterprise and when Kirk closes his eyes for the moment to open the curtains to see the bridge, what he gets as he opens his eyes there was total chaos from bridge personnel.

This doesn't make Kirk look good nor does it make Decker look good either which made it a total whitewash. TNG made similar character blunders in "Generations" where we have our heroes looking foolish in some period fantasy during the Napoleonic Era. I agree TMP is an origin story, a sort of "Back to Basics" approach but the producers should've handle this better than that; presenting some time had passed since the glory days of TOS would definitely help the flaws going on in the beginning of these characters' introductions. As is, the crew and this movie version of the Enterprise seemed like a work in progress, but I wouldn't want those people handling a crisis like V'Ger when they're struggling to figure themselves out.

TMP could also be seen as a soft reboot. There was so much that was familiar, but the overall look of the production can make it a challenge to reconcile with TOS. It could be argued TMP (and TWOK-TUC for that matter) were a different continuity albeit only slightly different. And in that respect TMP serves as an origin story given the pre TMP era could have looked and been different than what we saw in TOS.

The look of the Klingons in TMP really sets it apart from TOS, unless one accepts the popular fanon reasoning that there were variations in Klingon appearance just as there are variations in human appearance.
That's how I saw it and as my Dad and my 2 brothers who watched Star Trek before me saw it that way as well. Also, I was told through them most Trek fans they knew- going through the Creations Conventions -felt that way as well, just to show Trek fans were intelligent and doesn't require homework to get the creative changes, but brilliant episodes like "Blood Oath", "Trials and Tribble-lations", "Affliction" & "Divergence" felt other wise. As for the origin story, I could see that aspect of different continuity from movie to movie but I'd rather express time has passed from the last movie but the characters may share the same names from the ones seen in TOS but they're not the same characters. Something had to have happened for Kirk for him to act and be so childish and unprofessional in TMP, and then in TWOK making a blunder when it was obvious something was not right when Khan was playing a ruse before the Reliant's first attack. Shame on Spock, he should've took back command of the Enterprise and have Kirk earn the cred to rebuild himself and take back command.

There's no way I could see or believe the Kirk from TOS just 3 years apart from his days of the Starship Class would end up like that in the movies. It's not the same guy. If it was, there was a serious decline or something traumatic happened during the short gap between series and movies which lead Spock to find soullessness, McCoy becoming a hippy, and Kirk having a bug up his bum, very childish and pushy and was strategically clueless of the working of the new Enterprise.
 
The problem with TWOK is it started with Kirk right back where he hated being—desk bound—at the start of TMP with no explanation why. None at all.

I also hated with a passion the setup of the Enterprise as training ship followed up with it ready to be decommissioned in TSFS. Indeed as a block I find it very easy to toss all of TWOK-TUC out the window. Yeah, there are some decent character moments, but the look and feel of it all I find increasingly depressing over the years. It’s the overall winding down of our heroes. TMP was a new beginning and the rest were putting our heroes out to pasture. And while GEN was actually a TNG film it was literally the nail in the coffin for Kirk.


I like the idea that TOS->TMP-> unseen future adventures is one continuity, while there is another version where a completely different version of TOS happened more in the style of TWOK-TUC, and the ship always looked like that, and really was old, never having been refit. I know the 24th century complicates things, since it shows both TOS *and* Monster Maroons and movie ships. I know its meant to all be one canon. But it makes more sense separated. For the same reason, I consider ENT, DSC, SNW and Picard a separate canon, created by First Contact.

*edit* separate continuities also gets rid of most of the complaints aimed at TWoK, concerning discrepencies with Khan, his crew, Chekov, etc, including the style of the cargo containers and emblems he was left with.
 
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