Timeline for Worf's appearances in the Next Generation movies

[Tracy Trek]

OK, so we know Worf was already stationed at DS9 during First Contact because he brings the Defiant to the battle with the Borg. Was he still at DS9 during Insurrection and Nemesis? I'm thinking no or unknown for Nemesis because it happens after Voyager was back from the Delta Quadrant. So DS9 would have already been off the air. Was he already married to Jadzia during First Contact or Insurrection?

 

[The Old Mixer]

He was on DS9 when Insurrection came out, but not Nemesis, which came out a few years after the show ended (at which point he was supposed to have become an ambassador). Not sure offhand about the timing of his marriage in relation to the films.

 

[Tracy Trek]

Well he was still in a Starfleet uniform in Nemesis.

But then again so was Wesley. They did show him with the rest of the crew at the wedding, didn't they? Or was that something that got cut from the film?

 

[JonnyQuest037]

From the Nemesis script by John Logan (deleted dialogue. I'm not sure if this was actually shot):

Meanwhile, Geordi leads Leah to the dance floor as well.
Beverly goes to Worf.

BEVERLY
Commander Worf... Do Klingons
swing?

WORF
I am not a swinger. I am unwell.

BEVERLY
Don't worry, I'm a doctor.

She pulls him to the dance floor as:

BEVERLY
I'm so glad you made it back to the
Enterprise before I left.

WORF
I was not suited for the life of
a... diplomat.

BEVERLY
(wry)
Who'd have guessed?

More at: http://www.imsdb.com/scripts/Star-Trek-Nemesis.html

 

[The Old Mixer]

I hate that they did that...seasons of character development on DS9 swept under the rug so he could go back to pushing buttons on the bridge of the Enterprise. He could have just been there for the wedding and taken up his post for old time's sake, but no....

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Nemesis makes no sense, as Worf was no longer an active officer in Starfleet by then. He was UFP Ambassador to the Klingon Empire. Why he'd give that up for a dead end career is a mystery (he was never going to make Captain and I doubt he'd go much higher than lieutenant commander).

 

[The Old Mixer]

Nemesis makes no sense

You could have just stopped right there.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

He could have gone on inactive duty from Starfleet after DS9 ended. No reason he had to leave or retire.

 

[The Wormhole]

First Contact takes place during DS9's 5th season. Although it was released between Things Past and The Ascent, we know it couldn't happen any earlier than Rapture, because of the new uniforms. In Purgatory's Shadow mentions the Borg attack from the movie, making it clear the movie is meant to have taken place before than, although the stardate given in the movie would place it between Children of Time and In the Cards.

Insurrection takes place during DS9's 7th season. It was released between Covenant and It's Only a Paper Moon. However, given Worf has only a very minor appearance at the start of Paper Moon, doesn't appear at all in Prodigal Daughter, and is only seen in the MU in The Emperor's New Cloak, Insurrection can very easily be slotted among these events. The movie has no stardate, making things easier.

Nemesis is four years after DS9 ended, where Worf has apparently returned to Starfleet. A bit odd, they could have easily inserted him into the movie as a diplomat, but whatever.

Well he was still in a Starfleet uniform in Nemesis.

But then again so was Wesley. They did show him with the rest of the crew at the wedding, didn't they? Or was that something that got cut from the film?

Wesley can still be seen in uniform in the film sitting at the table during the reception. A scene where he had dialogue and talked about serving on the Titan was deleted.

 

[Nebusj]

Insurrection takes place during DS9's 7th season. It was released between Covenant and It's Only a Paper Moon. However, given Worf has only a very minor appearance at the start of Paper Moon, doesn't appear at all in Prodigal Daughter, and is only seen in the MU in The Emperor's New Cloak, Insurrection can very easily be slotted among these events. The movie has no stardate, making things easier.

Indeed, the movie can be slotted to after the end of Deep Space Nine altogether, and resolve a bunch of nagging little issues that way. (Among them, keeping Picard from looking like a jerk for moaning that he has to do all this diplomacy talk instead of archeology with his ship-of-the-line when there is a war on.)

 

[Paul Weaver]

In the novel verse worf went back to the enterprise (after making too many dishonourable compromises as a diplomat, including going behind martok's back) and would have become first officer on the Titan until data died, when he took over first officer duty on the enterprise. This happened shortly before the wedding so he was only filling information the enterprise tactical officer who was on leave.

Wesley was wearing a uniform as he turned up just before the wedding stark naked (it's a betazoid wedding) and the replicators were offline, being fixed, so Picard had a uniform beamed down from storage.

As the Wesley and madden scenes were deleted, this fits with what was actually seen on screen, and how I like to think of things.

Geordi's relationship with Leah was rather complicated, not least because the publishers have done their best to wipe one book from existence.

 

[The Wormhole]

Wesley was wearing a uniform as he turned up just before the wedding stark naked (it's a betazoid wedding) and the replicators were offline, being fixed, so Picard had a uniform beamed down from storage.

Unfortunately that doesn't really explain why he was wearing Lieutenant's insignia (which the novel still mentions). They couldn't remove one pip from the uniform's collar?

 

[Terok Nor]

I don't like to over complicate it.

- "First Contact" takes place between DS9's "The Ascent" and "Rapture" due to the change in uniforms.
- "Insurrection" at some point during the DS9 episodes "The Prodigal" and "The Emperor's New Cloak" since Worf doesn't appear in those episodes.
- Worf and Wesley rejoined Starfleet at some point between the last time we saw each of them and the movie "Nemesis".

In an ideal world we'd have gotten on screen explanations for Worf and Wesley being back in Starfleet but since that didn't happen I'm going with the simplest explanation.

 

[JonnyQuest037]

As the Wesley and madden scenes were deleted, this fits with what was actually seen on screen, and how I like to think of things.

I generally prefer not to think of naked Wesley Crusher whenever possible.

 

[Paul Weaver]

Unfortunately that doesn't really explain why he was wearing Lieutenant's insignia (which the novel still mentions). They couldn't remove one pip from the uniform's collar?

Too many people resigning during the dominon war so they changed the uniforms so you couldn't remove the pips

 

[The Wormhole]

Too many people resigning during the dominon war so they changed the uniforms so you couldn't remove the pips

Then what do they do when someone is promoted from Lieutenant JG to full Lieutenant or from Lt. Commander to Commander and they have to swap out the hollow pip for a solid one?

 

[Timo]

I don't like to over complicate it.

- "First Contact" takes place between DS9's "The Ascent" and "Rapture" due to the change in uniforms.
- "Insurrection" at some point during the DS9 episodes "The Prodigal" and "The Emperor's New Cloak" since Worf doesn't appear in those episodes.
- Worf and Wesley rejoined Starfleet at some point between the last time we saw each of them and the movie "Nemesis".

My preferred definition of avoiding complications is to eliminate contradictions.

- "First Contact" takes place just as per the stardates, after "Children of Time" but before "In the Cards", and preferably just before the latter episode because the earlier ones don't mention Borg distress but "In the Cards" has the perfect excuse not to since the Dominion is munching so many starships for breakfast now. (There is no mention of a Borg absence in ST:FC, quite to the contrary: they have recently been "advancing" and the UFP has been "falling back", quite possibly the action Sisko in "In Purgatory's Shadow" refers to.)

- "Insurrection" takes place soon after the war ends. Worf is free to roam the universe, Picard is free to spend months on an archaeological dig and take his dreadnought with him, and peace negotiations can be in progress. Plus, Starfleet can closely cooperate with the former enemy. Obviously, Worf wasn't much of a diplomat - but there's no reason to think it took him years or even months to figure it out!

- Wesley never rejoined Starfleet. Being god, he's free to join any parties he wishes, wearing anything he wishes. (Worf may or may not have rejoined Starfleet; retired officers wear uniforms, too, especially to military weddings.)

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Capn Nick]

Not to be off topic, but as to Wesley at the wedding: if he wasn't in Starfleet, why was he too cool to go to the wedding on Betazed. Or if he was going, why was he too cool to ride on the Enterprise? The whole stopping time trick might have come in handy.

But chronologically, does anybody remember the excuse for Worf to be there in Insurection? I have that movie buried in a box somewhere. I seem to remember them mentioning the end of the dominion war, but not why Worf is just hanging around. Does he want Troi back? Is that why he is drunk at the wedding in the next movie?

 

[Nebusj]

But chronologically, does anybody remember the excuse for Worf to be there in Insurection?

Worf starts to explain to Picard why he's on board, but Picard's called away before he can hear the story. And it never resumes.

On the one hand, yeah, that's lazy as I have no doubt nobody could think of a good reason for Worf to be around. On the other hand, it's genius since if it isn't going to affect the plot it doesn't matter why he happens to be there, so why not leave it open for fans to work out?

 

[Capn Nick]

Worf starts to explain to Picard why he's on board, but Picard's called away before he can hear the story. And it never resumes.

On the one hand, yeah, that's lazy as I have no doubt nobody could think of a good reason for Worf to be around. On the other hand, it's genius since if it isn't going to affect the plot it doesn't matter why he happens to be there, so why not leave it open for fans to work out?

Very good point. And of course you're right.

Though now I'm going to be perturbed that Picard was so rude he didn't let Worf finish :-)