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Thoughts on II-IV

Claudia

Fleet Captain
Fleet Captain
I just spent my afternoon watching a triple feature of STs II-IV (right now there's an inflation of ST-movies/episodes on TV in anticipation of the upcoming movie - and who am I to deny myself the pleasure of that? *g*). And it doesn't really matter how often I watch those movies, they always just work for me.

I think, if I had to introduce someone to ST I'd choose these 3 movies because they contain everything ST stands for me - drama, comedy, moral dilemmas, action, banter, friendship... Spock's death gets to me every time, and I must have watched that movie now dozens of times - and it doesn't lose its impact with his resurrection. And I also don't think that ST III is actually about Spock's resurrection, it's more about the way of getting there, the sacrifices his friends, particularly Kirk are willing (and forced) to make. That Spock would be resurrected, that much is obvious from the movie's title, after all.

ST IV is all about getting your bearings back after all the drama of the two previous movies, a bit of lighthearted comedy to reenforce the bonds between the characters - and I'm so very glad that, although we're not shown the immediate aftermath of Spock's resurrection, it's not just back to business as usual. It would have been so easy for f.e. Sarek to arrange some kind of pardon, and so to skip the return to Earth and just start the movie with a new Enterprise...

I'm not saying that the movies, in particular ST III, don't have flaws. Kruge and his bunch of Klingons are plainly ridiculous, and I'm not even sure why David was introduced as Kirk's son at all - just to make his death more poignant? To have Kirk suffer not only from the loss of his best friend (just to then miss out on the opportunity to explore how he's dealing with all these losses)? And where's Carol off to in ST III - shouldn't she be on Genesis as well? And what about Saavik? She goes from being a clearly emotional woman to some sort of automaton - which I blame on the movies' scriptwriters and not on the change from Alley to Curtis... I know that much of what's left open is explained in the excellent novelizations of the movies, but I can't help but wish that the characterization of the minor characters had been a bit more consistent throughout this 3-part story.

My biggest regret concerning consistency, however, is that James Horner wasn't hired to compose the score of ST IV. He did such a great job with the previous 2 movies, and I simply adore the way he managed to capture the melancholy and loss, the longing and unspoken of pain, all the heartbreak in his music. While Rosenman's score works when watching ST IV as a standalone, it takes some getting used to when taken as part of an ongoing story - and frankly, after all those dozens of times I'm still not used to that break in style and themes. I'd love to know why Horner wasn't rehired - wasn't he asked? Or was he considered for the job but declined himself?

Aside from Spock's "I have been and always shall be your friend" which, no matter how often I watch ST II, always manages to move me, I found Mark Lenard's portrayal of Sarek in ST III especially noteworthy - what a difference to the cold and distant father of "Journey to Babel", despite still coming across as typical Vulcan, this time his love for his son and his mourning are all apparent. The depth of this character is amazing, given the fact that this is only his second appearance after all.

Seen individually, ST II is easily my favourite of all the Trek movies, ST IV, depending on my mood, makes the top 3 and ST III ranks perhaps 5th or 6th - as a trilogy, however, it shows the variety of genres TOS could believably tap into and still stay true to itself...

Well, enough rambled. ;)
 
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Good summation. Agree with your points, which echo mine when I saw the films in theatrical release. Always found TVH's score grating. Nice to see some love for TWOK.
 
I still think it's a shame the TNG movies never managed to have any sort of continuing arc. It might have made them, overall, much stronger.
 
I still think it's a shame the TNG movies never managed to have any sort of continuing arc. It might have made them, overall, much stronger.

Exactly. Then again, the advantage of TOS was the focus on 3 characters which could be transfered onto the big screen. And I think having 2 other series take place at practically the same time as the movies - meaning that you had to find a niche for a TNG-movie in all the ongoing events (i.e. Dominion war) - wasn't an advantage, either.
 
Meh....

I think you've written a fantastic analyisis, but The Search for Spock is, and ever shall be, a thorn in my side

I took my username from the film because I like Klingon names, but almost everything about the film bothers me...it looks cheap, I don't like the lighting (I thought that Wrath of Khan, with it's darker lighting, had a better look to it), i hated the sets (especially the Genesis planet...they were almost as bad as the Original Series) the villians are absurd, on and on....In my humble opinion, I wish that this film had been better, and that the TOS-era films had ended after IV...The Motion Picture will always be my favorite Star Trek film, but it is closely followed (and I mean closely!!) by Wrath of Khan, and as much as I love the first film, it is certainly possible to see II-IV alone, as II seems to try to ignore the events of The Motion Picture
 
I don't think they ignored it. There just wasn't any real reason to mention it. It happened a good while ago in their time. It isn't like we see them regularly talking about their past adventures. There just isn't enough time.
 
I don't think they ignored it. There just wasn't any real reason to mention it. It happened a good while ago in their time. It isn't like we see them regularly talking about their past adventures. There just isn't enough time.

You're right...what I think I meant to say was that you can watch II - IV without TMP and you wont really be missing anything storywise (as much as I love TMP and hate to admit that!:klingon:
 
And what about Saavik? She goes from being a clearly emotional woman to some sort of automaton - which I blame on the movies' scriptwriters and not on the change from Alley to Curtis...

Very clearly, the change is Nimoy's directorial choice during ST III, not the writers. He and Curtis have been interviewed and Nimoy insisted she "play it colder... colder".
 
And what about Saavik? She goes from being a clearly emotional woman to some sort of automaton - which I blame on the movies' scriptwriters and not on the change from Alley to Curtis...

Very clearly, the change is Nimoy's directorial choice during ST III, not the writers. He and Curtis have been interviewed and Nimoy insisted she "play it colder... colder".

And did he give any reason for that choice?

The Motion Picture will always be my favorite Star Trek film, but it is closely followed (and I mean closely!!) by Wrath of Khan, and as much as I love the first film, it is certainly possible to see II-IV alone, as II seems to try to ignore the events of The Motion Picture

Well, actually I watched sort of a quadruple feature because TMP was aired right before II-IV... but only the prospect of II got me through TMP. I just don't find any redeeming quality in that movie - the characters somehow feel off, the way Decker was handled was just atrocious, we get endless shots of Enterprise, V'Ger, Enterprise being dragged into that V'Ger "ship" and little to no plot... TMP ranks last among all movies for me, so, I'm really happy that II-IV are sort of ignoring TMP. ;)
 
Aside from Spock's "I have been and always shall be your friend" which, no matter how often I watch ST II, always manages to move me, I found Mark Lenard's portrayal of Sarek in ST III especially noteworthy - what a difference to the cold and distant father of "Journey to Babel", despite still coming across as typical Vulcan, this time his love for his son and his mourning are all apparent. The depth of this character is amazing, given the fact that this is only his second appearance after all.
Was that really only Lenard's second appearance as Sarek? Wow! It's a testament to the actor (and Babel's writer) that, so long after his first appearance, Sarek's obvious love for his son did not seem inconsistent with his character.
 
I really enjoy II - IV. I would go ahead and throw VI in there as well, since it seems to be a nice bookend to everything.
 
Was that really only Lenard's second appearance as Sarek? Wow! It's a testament to the actor (and Babel's writer) that, so long after his first appearance, Sarek's obvious love for his son did not seem inconsistent with his character.

Mark Lenard had also played the voice of Sarek in "Yesteryear" (TAS), and in his interview with Roddenberry in the "Inside Star Trek" LP, discussing Spock's test tube conception.
 
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