trevanian
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Yeah, but I don't feel the need to parrot or toddy to other posters.
Thoughts about the design
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Yeah, but I don't feel the need to parrot or toddy to other posters.
Yes, of course...
Ok - here you go - one opinion of a trek fan from the early seventies, attended the first east coast conventions, was in on the mailing effort to get the first space shuttle named "Enterprise," and doesn't post on this board.
I'm 46 now; my 10-year old kid looks at me slightly askance because of that blocky Tric, bulbous comm and art-deco phaser under glass, and although I did hook him on Star Wars and Indiana Jones, Star Trek wasn't his bag.
And I don't blame him one bit.
1968-2008 - 40 years. Lets retrofit... 1968-40 = 1928. That's 8 years BEFORE Buster Crabbe as Flash Gordon. Now, picture yourself as a tyke, with your dad running around in a flowing robe and a bald-head wig, insisting on calling himself "LordOMongo" on the phone and worshipping a penis-shaped model with exhaust ports.
And he just can't understand what the hell you see in that flying saucer with the poles attached to the back.
I'm an old dog... I remember all the crazy jackasses that moaned about the new "Lone Ranger," and how it was criminal that anyone but the late lamented Clayton Moore was given the part. I remember all the static about anyone replacing George Reeves as Superman in the 76 movie. And now... here we go again.
The Enterprise is MY ship. I fought for her, on playgrounds and in my castigation as a "Star Trek Freak" in grade school. And I'm just dandy to see the new one. The New ship. The New sets. The New actors. Because I Have mine. My kid doesn't have his yet.
Star Wars dropped the ball, and, to him, that craptastic muddle of junk is his idea of good sci-fi. He's whipping around a plastic lightsaber. It would make my life if we went off to see this film, and all the way home, he would blabber on about what Spock did, and did I see when the Enterprise...
This isn't your father's Star Trek. Your father's Star Trek ended in 1991, after a storied history, with these words:
"Captain's Log, stardate 9529.1. This is the final cruise of the Starship Enterprise under my command. This ship and her history will shortly become the care of another crew. To them and their posterity will we commit our future. They will continue the voyages we have begun, and journey to all the undiscovered countries, boldly going where no man... where no *one* has gone before."
It was time to stand down.My son gets his own. He gets a bridge that looks like the stuff he sees on videogames I couldn't have imagined when he was my age. He gets a captain who, like my doctor, looks like he just graduated high school.And, should the script grant it, he'll get a little dose of that humanity that Star Trek injected me with at his age that made me into who I am today.
As for myself, I'll enjoy it. It's not my ship, but mine is safe in my memory. It's not my crew, but I knew mine for almost thirty years. I get to see his, and, with any luck, his version of a five-year mission. He's just getting to the age where it might spark his imagination; maybe he'll sign on for his own tour of duty. He'll inherit my Phaser, and add his own, and not just sell it off on ebay.
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trevanian
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Not to take away anything from your mostly well-written post (even though I disagree with it wholeheartedly), but do you know anyone who liked that new LONE RANGER film? I don't know anybody (except for a guy who loves Irwin Allen stuff) who even sat all the way through it. If that was bequeathing LONE R to our generation (I'm almost your age), that gesture wasn't doing ME a favor, or just about anyone else.
Didn't you know that his opinion is the only one that counts, and if you disagree, he and his "fans" here (including one or two "moderators") will continuously attack you for as long as you stick around here (and sometimes well beyond that point)?in your opinion.
I think I need to see a doctor - I keep hearing this high-pitched whining sound...
Probably caused by that brain tumor...
Thoughts on the new design?
It hardly looks like it was designed with the same attention to detail the original was. I'm not saying I hold the original design as something sacred or anything but honestly....
People keep saying it'll be more realistic and I've yet to see it...
Take the bridge, for instance. No command center I know of which requires people to be alert would be THAT bright. Of course it wouldn't be dark either but bright light like that has been known to cause headaches. Doubly so if the room you're in is primarily white and shiny.
The phaser looks like it'd be prone to massive fouling thanks to the horizontally rotating barrel feature. Again, not saying the original's perfect by any means.
As an aside, DAMN, am I tired of having to qualify my opinion of the original stuff, too. Isn't it possible that just because I'm not thrilled with the new stuff doesn't mean I worship a shrine to TOS? Can't I just have an opinion about the new designs which ISN'T favorable and be considered objective without having to go through the original look and comparing them?
It hardly looks like it was designed with the same attention to detail the original was. I'm not saying I hold the original design as something sacred or anything but honestly....
People keep saying it'll be more realistic and I've yet to see it...
Take the bridge, for instance. No command center I know of which requires people to be alert would be THAT bright. Of course it wouldn't be dark either but bright light like that has been known to cause headaches. Doubly so if the room you're in is primarily white and shiny.
The phaser looks like it'd be prone to massive fouling thanks to the horizontally rotating barrel feature. Again, not saying the original's perfect by any means.
As an aside, DAMN, am I tired of having to qualify my opinion of the original stuff, too. Isn't it possible that just because I'm not thrilled with the new stuff doesn't mean I worship a shrine to TOS? Can't I just have an opinion about the new designs which ISN'T favorable and be considered objective without having to go through the original look and comparing them?
That is really your problem. Nobody is asking you to qualify your opinion of TOS, but you seem to feel the need to.
Don't like it don't do it.
Anyway, noone on this Earth is objective. Every opinion is subjective and influenced from various factors, different for each person.
And it is also OK to have any opinion you wish as long as you are not trying to force it into people as the absolute truth, which you do not.
No, but posters like SP and ST-One constantly bring up the original in comparison whenever someone offers an unfriendly view towards the current design.
And Gep....what details are we referring to? Actual working parts where everything has a purpose or just details for the sake of details? Matt Jefferies and the actors alike all have said that each button, each part of the design was done with a purpose. It doesn't appear to be that way in the new design. And yes, that is just my view and I have nothing other than my own eyes to back it up.
And Gep....what details are we referring to? Actual working parts where everything has a purpose or just details for the sake of details? Matt Jefferies and the actors alike all have said that each button, each part of the design was done with a purpose. It doesn't appear to be that way in the new design. And yes, that is just my view and I have nothing other than my own eyes to back it up.
As for "every button having a purpose" I'm not 100% sure that's true. But everything that was on-set was done for a purpose, albeit with some of those purposes being altered over time.
I was hoping to see something very similar to the TOS corridor sets... rectalinear shapes with trusswork in the ceiling. I would replace the "swirly pattern" bits up there with simple lighting panels, of course. I'd replace the vacuum-formed details on the walls with real machinery (or rather, with these being covers over that real machinery). I might add an additional level of detail here or there, certainly I'd have occasional "working electronic" elements in them, but only where it made some form of sense. And everything "working" would be safely protected behind removable wall panels.
Didn't you know that his opinion is the only one that counts, and if you disagree, he and his "fans" here (including one or two "moderators") will continuously attack you for as long as you stick around here (and sometimes well beyond that point)?in your opinion.That can't be the reason, because it isn't so.
Okay, Cary...that's about enough of this.
Rather ironic that these two interactions kinda highlight that whole pot-kettle-black thing.
I like a lot of what perigee said (and I was taunted and picked on in grade school for being a "Star Trek freak!")
I am a lifelong Trekkie, but try as I might I have never ever been able to get my kids to set through more than maybe a minute and a 1/2 of *any* Trek movie or episode. (The only exception is my 8yo will watch the TOS and DS9 Tribble episodes - but *just* those two.)
They are pretty adventurous and open-minded kids, and anything else I introduce them to usually they'll at least give it a try once - Doctor Who (which they love) or this or that book or some album or song or even some *food* I like, they are always open to give it a try at least once - just not Star Trek for some damn reason.*
And I really want them all to get a chance to see what I see in Star Trek that made me love the show - that made me treasure it and made it mean something more important to me than just "some TV show with space ships" but as something that had meaning and value - and values, and ethics - that I took to heart and made a part of my life and they influenced and shaped the person I grew up to become today; values like tolerance, open-mindedness, and tolerance and respect for diversity - IDIC (Infinite Diversity and in Infinite Combinations) and for other cultures, and the importance of exploration, and of striving to better myself, Trek is responsible in large part for my appreciation of art and history and philosophy and literature - and even Earl Grey tea.*
I want them to see why, silly as it may sound, charicters like Kirk, Spock & Picard are like roll models and even like family in a way to me.
I haven't been able to get them to watch enough Star Trek to have a chance to see all of that. *
But when I showed the three oldest the new movie trailer - they *loved* it! They said that it "looked cool" and they all really really want to go with me too see it opening night!!!
So maybe through it, my Star Trek can become their Star Trek too.
I am a lifelong Trekkie, but try as I might I have never ever been able to get my kids to set through more than maybe a minute and a 1/2 of *any* Trek movie or episode. (The only exception is my 8yo will watch the TOS and DS9 Tribble episodes - but *just* those two.)
They are pretty adventurous and open-minded kids, and anything else I introduce them to usually they'll at least give it a try once - Doctor Who (which they love) or this or that book or some album or song or even some *food* I like, they are always open to give it a try at least once - just not Star Trek for some damn reason.*
And I really want them all to get a chance to see what I see in Star Trek that made me love the show - that made me treasure it and made it mean something more important to me than just "some TV show with space ships" but as something that had meaning and value - and values, and ethics - that I took to heart and made a part of my life and they influenced and shaped the person I grew up to become today; values like tolerance, open-mindedness, and tolerance and respect for diversity - IDIC (Infinite Diversity and in Infinite Combinations) and for other cultures, and the importance of exploration, and of striving to better myself, Trek is responsible in large part for my appreciation of art and history and philosophy and literature - and even Earl Grey tea.*
I want them to see why, silly as it may sound, charicters like Kirk, Spock & Picard are like roll models and even like family in a way to me.
I haven't been able to get them to watch enough Star Trek to have a chance to see all of that. *
But when I showed the three oldest the new movie trailer - they *loved* it! They said that it "looked cool" and they all really really want to go with me too see it opening night!!!
So maybe through it, my Star Trek can become their Star Trek too.
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