This has probably been asked already, but…

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Lower Decks' started by Death Ray, Sep 16, 2021.

  1. Death Ray

    Death Ray Lieutenant Red Shirt

    Nov 30, 2016
    …Is the reason they changed the opening credits space battle with the Borg cube to include other ships because otherwise it would make a Romulan/Borg war “canon”?
  2. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

    Oct 23, 2017
    Probably just to make it different. I don’t think anything seen in the credits is canon.
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  3. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    It's a bit ambiguous. Up until ENT, we never got a scene that was demonstrably "unreal": for TOS, TAS, TNG and DS9, we just saw starships doing flybys of features known to exist in the Trek universe, and for VOY, we got some things that seemed to defy common sense (a ringed planet just a couple of hundred kilometers wide judging by that silly reflection on the rings) but were nothing to write home about in the Trek context. ENT gave us a string of images of which some looked as if "intended to be unreal" (the space station being built might have been a CGI demo rather than a timelapse document in-universe, say), but none of it was "art for art's sake" (but instead pretty images of existing things, even if those only existed virtually in that universe).

    But then we got DIS, where flybys of giant eyes are unlikely to be footage from Starfleet sensors. And next we'll get PRO, where the flybys and -throughs are decidedly symbolic rather than realistic. So even by strict Trek precedent, LDS need not be interpreted as footage.

    That said, nothing wrong with Romulans fighting the Borg. Everybody supposedly does that sooner or later anyway. And the Cerritos being there is legit, too. But where it gets unreal is all this happening twice, once with the Pakleds, once without...

    'Course, LDS already features the heroes toying with simulated missions a lot. Could be this is indeed footage - of a holoadventure run by Mariner, who got bored with bravely fleeing mere Borg and upped the ante.

    Timo Saloniemi
  4. Michael

    Michael [ˈmɪçaːʔeːl] Moderator

    Jul 10, 2007
    Aloha Quadrant
    I assume it was done to reflect the recurring nature of …
    … the Pakleds in season two. Those are Pakled ships, are they not? So just a bit of subtle foreshadowing, I guess.
  5. Charles Phipps

    Charles Phipps Commodore Commodore

    Sep 17, 2011
    Is 3 cubes a war?
  6. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Aug 26, 2003
    One Cube may be the only war one ever gets with the Borg. Then again, if resistance truly proves to be futile, was it ever a war?

    ...Which side where the Pakleds fighting on?

    Timo Saloniemi
  7. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 14, 2001
    Skin-Neck-Ta-Dee (Schenectady)
    I'm beginning to believe that the Pakleds are the ones controlling the Borg Cubes in the opening credits.

    They must have found a derelict and somehow managed to get it going again and the Borg onboard assimilated them to the Borg's dismay.
    I can imagine a Pakled Borg Cube being totally bonkers and not having a clue as to who to shoot at and trying to assimilate everybody including themselves all the while doing it poorly.

    Imagine a universe where the Borg become the ones being assimilated by stupidity.
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  8. DEWLine

    DEWLine Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Apr 27, 2003
    Ottawa, Canada
    I saw Romulan, Borg, Pakled and Klingon ships in that Season 2 version of the fight scene in the main titles...?
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  9. Ricky Spanish

    Ricky Spanish BillJ Premium Member

    Jan 30, 2001
    Escaped from Trumpistan
    I think it is to reflect who we really are, we fight amongst ourselves while a much bigger foe threatens to consume us all.
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