Theory about Christian (SPOILERS, duh)

[doubleohfive]

Anyone who has interacted with Christian on the island ends up killed/dead and/or resurrected.

Claire -- well, we don't know for sure, but it wouldn't be anything that we haven't hypothesized already.

Locke died and was resurrected upon returning to the island.

Little Ben has been shot, and it stands to reason that he will be resurrected. No way will the producers off such a major, popular character that way.

So, this leaves Sun, Lapidus, and Hurley.

I think Sun and Lapidus either died in the plane crash or are going to be killed at some point. They didn't make it to the '70s with the others, and later ran in to Christian.

That just leaves Hurley.

Your thoughts?

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

well if we are to believe Christian is actually Cerberus (smoke monster) coming to Locke, Hurley, Sun, Lepidus and to some extent Jack, i dont think they relatively have to die in order to do what needs to be done. Consider them instruments to a very large, convoluted plan.

 

[Alpinemaps]

Has Little Ben met Christian? I don't remember that...

I don't by that Frank and Sun are dead. They interacted with everyone else (including Adult Ben) on the beach.

 

[doubleohfive]

Little Ben didn't meet Christian, but Old Ben did. There's a fine point there, and I hadn't considered that... but its just as likely they're still "the same" person as far as this theory is concerned.

I don't know that Sun and Lapidus are dead yet either, but if Claire is dead, and Locke did see her when he went to the cabin last season, then it stands to reason that if they are dead already, they'd still be able to interact with other, living people.

 

[Zulu Romeo]

Does that mean Vincent will die too?

 

[Mallet]

Little Ben didn't meet Christian, but Old Ben did.

When did that happen again? I'm drawing a blank on any scene/episode where Ben & Christian met.

 

[doubleohfive]

Shit, you're right. They didn't meet per se, but both Hurley and Ben were there when John met Christian in the cabin, though they remained outside.

Let's also remember Michael met Christian too, on the freighter just before his death.

 

[exodus]

Shit, you're right. They didn't meet per se, but both Hurley and Ben were there when John met Christian in the cabin, though they remained outside.

Let's also remember Michael met Christian too, on the freighter just before his death.

So, are you saying seeing Christian is some type of equvalent to seeing the Grim Reaper?

 

[Hober Mallow]

well if we are to believe Christian is actually Cerberus (smoke monster) coming to Locke, Hurley, Sun, Lepidus and to some extent Jack, i dont think they relatively have to die in order to do what needs to be done. Consider them instruments to a very large, convoluted plan.

How could Christian be the smoke monster? The smoke monster, as far as we know, was around long before Christian died.

 

[doubleohfive]

Shit, you're right. They didn't meet per se, but both Hurley and Ben were there when John met Christian in the cabin, though they remained outside.

Let's also remember Michael met Christian too, on the freighter just before his death.

So, are you saying seeing Christian is some type of equvalent to seeing the Grim Reaper?

Grim Reaper... Jesus Christ... at this point, I think it could go either way, unless the island is just another Cylon Resurrection Hub. (Hey, it *does* have an FTL drive, as we saw in the finale last year...)

 

[Gertch]

Jack saw Christian and is still alive.

Since Claire is hanging out with her dad do you think she died in that house blast?

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

well if we are to believe Christian is actually Cerberus (smoke monster) coming to Locke, Hurley, Sun, Lepidus and to some extent Jack, i dont think they relatively have to die in order to do what needs to be done. Consider them instruments to a very large, convoluted plan.

How could Christian be the smoke monster? The smoke monster, as far as we know, was around long before Christian died.

im not saying THE Christian Shepard is Cerberus. I mean this incarnation post Flight 815 crash, is cerberus, taking Christian's form, just like it may or may not have taken the form of Ana Lucia, Libby, Hurley's old friend Dave and Charlie. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen.

 

[doubleohfive]

Jack saw Christian and is still alive.

But did Jack see him on the island? Near as I can recall, Jack thought he saw Christian in the lobby of the hospital after he came back from the island, and even then we have to take in to consideration he was probably dope up as shit by that point.

Since Claire is hanging out with her dad do you think she died in that house blast?

Yes.

 

[exodus]

Shit, you're right. They didn't meet per se, but both Hurley and Ben were there when John met Christian in the cabin, though they remained outside.

Let's also remember Michael met Christian too, on the freighter just before his death.

So, are you saying seeing Christian is some type of equvalent to seeing the Grim Reaper?

Grim Reaper... Jesus Christ... at this point, I think it could go either way, unless the island is just another Cylon Resurrection Hub. (Hey, it *does* have an FTL drive, as we saw in the finale last year...)

I don't watch BSG.

However, I like your theory about Christian.
I'll have to ponder that as I continue to watch the show.
I don't doubt it because they seem to be implying more and more in recent eps. that the island is some focus of life and death.

 

[exodus]

well if we are to believe Christian is actually Cerberus (smoke monster) coming to Locke, Hurley, Sun, Lepidus and to some extent Jack, i dont think they relatively have to die in order to do what needs to be done. Consider them instruments to a very large, convoluted plan.

How could Christian be the smoke monster? The smoke monster, as far as we know, was around long before Christian died.

im not saying THE Christian Shepard is Cerberus. I mean this incarnation post Flight 815 crash, is cerberus, taking Christian's form, just like it may or may not have taken the form of Ana Lucia, Libby, Hurley's old friend Dave and Charlie. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen.

...or more importantly, Mr. Echo's brother before it passed judgement on him and killed him.

 

[Mallet]

How could Christian be the smoke monster? The smoke monster, as far as we know, was around long before Christian died.

im not saying THE Christian Shepard is Cerberus. I mean this incarnation post Flight 815 crash, is cerberus, taking Christian's form, just like it may or may not have taken the form of Ana Lucia, Libby, Hurley's old friend Dave and Charlie. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen.

...or more importantly, Mr. Echo's brother before it passed judgement on him and killed him.

I'm trying to remember this correctly. It didn't pass judgment on Mr. Eko then kill him, did it? Didn't it say that if Mr. Eko asked for forgiveness then he could live, but Eko said "no, I nothing to be sorry about. I did what I did to survive." It was then that smokey killed him. Not because he was guilty, but rather because he wouldn't ask for forgiveness.

Which is really interesting because we haven't seen smokey ever give anyone else that choice to make. Was it because Eko was a religious man and the others smokey killed were not? Does Smokey kill you based on your faith (or lack of it)? If your catholic do you get a chance to attone for your sins like you do in confession? So, if smokey had shown up to kill Charlie (who was also catholic) would Charlie have been given the chance to ask for forgiveness? If you have no religious beliefs does it kill you without thought? What happens if you are Jewish or a Hindu? Is Smokey some sort of guide to the afterlife (The Egyptians believed in something like that didn't they?) and as a "guide" to the afterlife does it judge you based on how you judge yourself?

 

[Gertch]

Jack saw Christian and is still alive.

But did Jack see him on the island?

1X05: White Rabbit - Jack chased his dad through the jungle.

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-47-235.html

 

[exodus]

im not saying THE Christian Shepard is Cerberus. I mean this incarnation post Flight 815 crash, is cerberus, taking Christian's form, just like it may or may not have taken the form of Ana Lucia, Libby, Hurley's old friend Dave and Charlie. Whether or not this is the case remains to be seen.

...or more importantly, Mr. Echo's brother before it passed judgement on him and killed him.

I'm trying to remember this correctly. It didn't pass judgment on Mr. Eko then kill him, did it? Didn't it say that if Mr. Eko asked for forgiveness then he could live, but Eko said "no, I nothing to be sorry about. I did what I did to survive." It was then that smokey killed him. Not because he was guilty, but rather because he wouldn't ask for forgiveness.

Which is really interesting because we haven't seen smokey ever give anyone else that choice to make. Was it because Eko was a religious man and the others smokey killed were not? Does Smokey kill you based on your faith (or lack of it)? If your catholic do you get a chance to attone for your sins like you do in confession? So, if smokey had shown up to kill Charlie (who was also catholic) would Charlie have been given the chance to ask for forgiveness? If you have no religious beliefs does it kill you without thought? What happens if you are Jewish or a Hindu? Is Smokey some sort of guide to the afterlife (The Egyptians believed in something like that didn't they?) and as a "guide" to the afterlife does it judge you based on how you judge yourself?

It's not about being religous.

Echo was religious but was also a man that used violence as a solution, which is hypocritical of what religion is meant to teach. Due to Echo not seeing the wrong in violence, Smokey passed judgement on him and killed him. The Island thru the "spirits" certain people meet are testing them. It asks them clever questions that reveals themselves.

Remember when Ben summoned it? Ben said he didn't control it, yet it only went after the military men. The men holding guns.

Rousseau called it a security system for the island. So it stands to reason it kills those on the island that it views as threatening.

 

[Mallet]

...or more importantly, Mr. Echo's brother before it passed judgement on him and killed him.

I'm trying to remember this correctly. It didn't pass judgment on Mr. Eko then kill him, did it? Didn't it say that if Mr. Eko asked for forgiveness then he could live, but Eko said "no, I nothing to be sorry about. I did what I did to survive." It was then that smokey killed him. Not because he was guilty, but rather because he wouldn't ask for forgiveness.

Which is really interesting because we haven't seen smokey ever give anyone else that choice to make. Was it because Eko was a religious man and the others smokey killed were not? Does Smokey kill you based on your faith (or lack of it)? If your catholic do you get a chance to attone for your sins like you do in confession? So, if smokey had shown up to kill Charlie (who was also catholic) would Charlie have been given the chance to ask for forgiveness? If you have no religious beliefs does it kill you without thought? What happens if you are Jewish or a Hindu? Is Smokey some sort of guide to the afterlife (The Egyptians believed in something like that didn't they?) and as a "guide" to the afterlife does it judge you based on how you judge yourself?

It's not about being religous.

Echo was religious but was also a man that used violence as a solution, which is hypocritical of what religion is meant to teach. Due to Echo not seeing the wrong in violence, Smokey passed judgement on him and killed him. The Island thru the "spirits" certain people meet are testing them. It asks them clever questions that reveals themselves.

Remember when Ben summoned it? Ben said he didn't control it, yet it only went after the military men. The men holding guns.

Rousseau called it a security system for the island. So it stands to reason it kills those on the island that it views as threatening.

But what about the pilot? He never was visited, just outright killed and then smokey chased Jack, Kate & Charlie. If it wasn't going to kill them then why chase them? Why did it try and take Locke? Why did it take one of Russo's crew, but not the others? Why did it try and get Kate and Juliet? And since it did try and get them, why hasn't it tried to get them again? Why did it let the Widmore's Mercs live and not kill them like it has done to everyone else it has attacked?

There has got to be a lot more going on that we don't know (obviously) but so far the only times we have seen it give someone a chance to go free was when it gave Eko a chance to ask for forgiveness for what he had done and he said no, so it killed him. And another time when it rose up above Locke but didn't kill him (we still don't know what Locke saw (except it was beautiful)) and we don't know if it talked to him or not at that time.

We are also assuming that Smokey and the "ghosts" are one and the same, when really it could be two different beings. It could be that smokey roams the island killing whoever it wants and then when the "Ghosts" call it it shows up and kills whoever the "ghosts" tell it to before goingback to doing its own thing.

 

[Obiwanshinobi]

Perhaps Eko was fairly close to The Temple, before we as viewers, even knew that there was a temple. Which they didn't mention until the end of season 3 I think. Same with Locke at the end of season 1. Cerberus was going to drag him down into the hole, similiar to Montahn.