The Winter Soldier Vs. Man of Steel

[Locutus of Bored]

It also proved how this Superman doesn't care about civilian victims. He has superspeed, supervision, superblabla, and he grabs Zod and crashes him through a gas station that explodes in a giant fireball. Surely the poor gas station clerk, and the people who were just refueling, bit the dust in that split second.

It looked to me like he just got pissed about the attack on his mom and charged Zod, which knocked them back into Smallville. He never took off any higher than a few feet off the ground, and he was traveling through the cornfield most of the time, so I don't think he was aiming for the town or anything. It just happened to be where they wound up when he went off on Zod and attacked.

It's funny how one line in the original film nails it: "General, would you care to step outside?"

You know who else he asked to step outside? The trucker who kicked his ass when he was de-powered. You know how Clark responded once he got his powers back? He went back there to get revenge, spun him around superfast in a chair, and then threw him down the diner counter into a pinball machine where he's knocked out and sitting in shattered glass of the diner that had only just gotten fixed from his last fight, which he could have easily avoided too. Truly, a crowning moment in Superman morality, right there.

 

[JarodRussell]

Yeah, the superbully aspect is one I've always disagreed with. That appears repeatedly, and I hate it. First: Superman turns into a pussy once he loses his powers. Second: he turns into a cruel bully when he regains his powers. Both of those things are so totally out of character.
Wonder if anything like that happened in the Dean Cain & Teri Hatcher show. I can't remember. That Clark was a confident guy whether he had his superpowers or not, and I don't think he ever misused his powers to bully someone.

 

[Alidar Jarok]

Given that this website exists perhaps we shouldn't be talking about "out of character"?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

You know who else he asked to step outside? The trucker who kicked his ass when he was de-powered. You know how Clark responded once he got his powers back? He went back there to get revenge, spun him around superfast in a chair, and then threw him down the diner counter into a pinball machine where he's knocked out and sitting in shattered glass of the diner that had only just gotten fixed from his last fight, which he could have easily avoided too. Truly, a crowning moment in Superman morality, right there.

He paid for the damages and then some, though.

Yeah, the superbully aspect is one I've always disagreed with. That appears repeatedly, and I hate it. First: Superman turns into a pussy once he loses his powers. Second: he turns into a cruel bully when he regains his powers. Both of those things are so totally out of character.

Out of character?!? He was teaching a lesson to the bully.

 

[JarodRussell]

Given that this website exists perhaps we shouldn't be talking about "out of character"?

To that I say the website probably wouldn't exist if superdickery was what people actually expect of the character.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think that's something that Man of Steel improved upon...if you want to get even with a trucker and you're Superman, you don't go after the trucker...you go after his truck!

 

[JarodRussell]

I think that's something that Man of Steel improved upon...if you want to get even with a trucker and you're Superman, you don't go after the trucker...you go after his truck!

So they kind of reversed it. He didn't bully the trucker, but he didn't ask Zod to step outside for a minute.

 

[The Old Mixer]

To be fair, they were already outside.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I think that's something that Man of Steel improved upon...if you want to get even with a trucker and you're Superman, you don't go after the trucker...you go after his truck!

Yeah, that was amusing. Clark definitely one-upped Cledus Snow.

 

[JarodRussell]

This is my favorite example of Superdickery:

 

[Tuvok]

All I kept thinking was.

Why are you punching Zod into buildings full or people you ass!

Also, take the fight somewhere else.

You know, it would'nt have happended if you went to your Dads AI on the ship the moment Zod showed up instead of a random priest.

When an enemy from your homeworld shows up, ask the guy from your homeworld.

He might actually have a plan.

 

[JoeZhang]

None of these things bother me, the fact that he broke Zod's neck doesn't bother me either - what bothers me is that the film sets up Superman as someone who will show humanity a better way and lead them into the light and then is juxtaposed in a rather hamfisted manner with Jesus in a church.

The neck breaking only bothers me because of those two scenes - this is the "better way" - a finishing move from a Jason Statham movie? I would have preferred they either cut/changed those scenes and stuck with the neck-breaking or come up with something a better more clever or novel than the neck-snap. So I'm not concerned with if it is faithful with the comics but rather it's not internally consistent with itself.