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What do you think is going on in the galaxy at the early part of the 25th century beyond what we saw in seasons 1-3? Terry seems to have some ideas that he'd love to put to screen (ie what's happening in the Klingon Empire), and fingers crossed that's a little more likely to happen with PIC Saturn Awards. I wonder what some of us think. There are a lot of aliens in the lore to date...and a lot more yet out there.
Everything but that! The klingons are so overused and dull, Discovery tried to do something interesting with them and then the fans bullied them into turning them back into the 90s and early 2000s klingons, no thanks!
If we get a new 25th century show I would like to see more romulan allies, I want to revisit Bajor and DS9 and most importantly I want them to explore new areas of space.
I’m not a big Klingon fan but I think there’s actually something interesting to be done with them by showing all the different kinds of Klingons we’ve seen in an Empire of broader biological diversity of Klingon. PIC did this a bit with the Romulans by showing both flat and bumpy forehead Romulans.
DSC told us there are what 26 Great Houses of the Empire? We saw a lot fewer than that. Plus all the minor Houses and all the provincial diversity throughout the ancient, technologically sophisticated Empire. Natural biological diversity plus “transklingonist” genetic engineering plus mixing with conquered and allied powers would be something spectacular to behold.
Discovery tried to do something interesting with them and then the fans bullied them into turning them back into the 90s and early 2000s klingons, no thanks!
I don’t think Worf was ever going to be a DSC Klingon. The whole feel of PIC is way less elaborate from a sci-fi perspective. The costumes are much more understated and contemporary to the point where they used basic button down shirts and modern day suits among them. Data barely had any gold makeup on, and Marina was basically doing her own working class British accent. They were not going to reinvent Worf under massive amounts of rubber to fit with the DSC Klingons. I don’t think so anyway. Even the poker game at the end was just the cast being the cast, not their characters. It was all much more stripped down than anything they ever did for TNG.
To me, it makes sense that there are different types of Klingons in the Empire, ranging from those we saw in DIS to those in TNG, and even those that appeared in Star Trek Into Darkness. Prior to DS9--which showed some previous TOS Klingons now resembling TNG ones--I used to just go with that there were even Human-looking Klingons, and that which type you encountered depended on which ones were currently in power. I even extended that to the Romulans in which there were those that had brow ridges and those that didn't (PIC later pretty much stated that was indeed the case). Same thing could also apply to Trills in which many may look like those in DS9, but there were also those that looked like the first one ever we saw in TNG with the bumpy forehead.
All that being said, I think that despite the vastness of the Galaxy, VOY was the only Trek series that dared to leave "local space" behind and distance itself from both the Klingons and the Romulans. Yes, they had to find ways to sneak them back in for several "touch base" episodes, but ideally, VOY as the series that really explored the wider Galaxy, even if it was only a several thousand light-year beeline in another quadrant.
Politically, I don’t care much about the Klingon Empire of the early 25th century. A line about how they are engaged in border war with Remans and Gorn extremists is fine with me. I mean, it should be interesting to explore why the Klingons haven’t conquered the Romulan Free State, as suggested in AGT - if to conquer is to be Klingon – but I don’t find myself interested in the politics of the Klingon Empire right now
If they insist, then why focus directly on the Klingon Empire? Why not one of its tributary worlds? In TOS, Ardana is a Federation member. Yet according to Admiral Clancy’s map of PIC S1, Ardana is now a part of the Klingon Empire. Surely there is more commentary to be derived by following up on Ardana then the Klingon Empire directly. Since the Klingon Empire seems okay with the caste system oppression, execution of political dissidents, and public torture, while the Federation is not, according to DS9‘s “Accession” And the Klingons seemed to have been a member of the Federation themselves at one point during the Lost Era.
If Zhat Vash is among the Klingons (and the Gorn), then that suggests Klingon (and Gorn) cybernetics and Klingon (and Gorn) robotics/synths/drones/A.I. are a thing. That is an area of the Klingons that has not been explored before in detail at all, beyond the Klingons being aware that Data exists (that area of the Gorn is a complete mystery, even in SNW).
They could show the Klingon Academy as a counterpart to Starfleet Academy. And could show the Klingon Honor Guard, the Andorian Quarter on Qo’noS, and wildlife across the Empire. Ideas from video games that have never been seen in the show before, or at least in meaningful detail.
I too am interested how all of the former client worlds of the Romulan Empire are doing, and what they think abut the fall of the Star Empire. I want to know why Denobula is considered a part of the Romulan Free State, since we seen Denobulans serving in Starfleet in SNW.
How are other worlds handling refugees from the Romulan Free State? Not just Qo’noS/Cardassia/Bajor/Ferenginar. This includes Federation worlds seen in TOS that haven’t been followed up on since (Planet Q, Aldebara, Coridan, Rigel VII, Tellun, Deneva, Janus VI, Triskelion, etc).
I am interested in the state of Bajor (being a member of the Federation), Cardassia (and the wider Cardassian Union) and the (former?) DMZ, since its eventually going to lead to President Rillak in the 32nd century, and Cardassians joining the Federation by that time.
I am interested to know about the Ferengi. And if
their application for Federation membership
is a reason why money was a thing in PIC S1.
Elsewhere, I am interested in learning why the Talarians are an important power in the 25th century over the Gorn, Orions, Tholians, etc. It doesn’t matter if they are considered a third-rate power like the Cardassians, I just want to know why.
I want to know how many more people like Bjayzl are out there, hunting for Borg parts from Xbs. The black market must be competitive if that’s the case.
What happened to Ba’ku and the Son’a? Is Ba’ku a planet of peace (i.e. Nimbus III) in regards to the Dominion/Cardassian wars. Is Outpost 40 a thing, considering that the Ba’ku are a part of the Federation? And since the Son’a are a part of the Federation too, why did they leave the Dominion, instead of remain an auxiliary for them in Federation space?
What are Pahvo and Kaminar like in the 25th century?
A follow up on Deep Space K-7, over a century later after hostilities with the Klingons being over.
There’s a lot they could do. Part of the fun of the (for me) alternate universe that is PIC I think is how you can totally subvert expectations. Who would have thought watching TNG that the future looked as grim as it did in PIC? The Federation kind of being the baddies in s1…the once great Romulan Star-Empire fractured and in shambles…synthetic life vilified and outlawed…tortured Changelings teaming up with the last embers of the Borg, and so on?
With the Romulans fractured and all things otherwise as Sloan/31 predicted, it could be a period very much Pax Federation. Does that bring drama from within, external threats (reasons to keep things together) vanquished? Ins1 of TNG Admiral Quinn referred to strain in the Federation due to all the new additional members recently inducted—who were they and what were/are the issues? What’s going on with the Vulcans post Romulan fall—are they trying to Reunify or are they more ardently than ever against, especially after the disappearance of Spock (to the Kelvin Universe). And what is the deal with the Ktarians anyway—did they try to take over the Federation in TNG’s “The Game” or not?
I mean, this is PIC, not TNG. Memberworlds were talking about seceding if they were going to keep trying to help the Romulans after the synth attack on Mars.
Are there new unexpected ascendencies with the former major powers sidelined? Plenty of others out there…Tholians, Sheliak, Jarada, Miradorn, Tzenkethi…Vissians…Gorn?
Ins1 of TNG Admiral Quinn referred to strain in the Federation due to all the new additional members recently inducted—who were they and what were/are the issues?
Are there new unexpected ascendencies with the former major powers sidelined? Plenty of others out there…Tholians, Sheliak, Jarada, Miradorn, Tzenkethi…Vissians…Gorn?
I do want to believe that the Typhon Pact – made up of Romulans, Tholians, Gorn, Breen, Tzenkethi and Kinshaya – is a thing post-NEM. And still is a thing after the Romulan supernova.
Of course, there would have to be an explanation as to what they were doing during the supernova crisis, if they were around in the 2380s. Since it involved a member, and they are all xenophobic isolationists.
I feel the Dominion is biding their time while they observe. They may be in a hurry to rearm and attack without using the Wormhole, because the Jem'Hadar are getting harder to control.
The Romulans are in disarray.
The Klingons are probably OK with no war for awhile while they lick their wounds from unprecedented losses.
The Federation has taken a beating from Borg invasions, Dominion War losses, etc etc. They are in no position to dictate anything. Exploration continues...it's only new members and that diversity that strengthens them.
I feel the Dominion is biding their time while they observe. They may be in a hurry to rearm and attack without using the Wormhole, because the Jem'Hadar are getting harder to control.
The Romulans are in disarray.
The Klingons are probably OK with no war for awhile while they lick their wounds from unprecedented losses.
The Federation has taken a beating from Borg invasions, Dominion War losses, etc etc. They are in no position to dictate anything. Exploration continues...it's only new members and that diversity that strengthens them.
With the major powers in retreat or exhausted, it should lead to the rise of new powers that otherwise would not have arisen without the Dominion war, the Romulan supernova, and even the fall of the Borg.
^ there’s no shortage of them. Besides the one I mentioned earlier there are ones we’ve never actually seen, like the Nyberrite Alliance Worf was thinking of joining in “The Way of the Warrior,” the Mathenites that gave Tekeny Ghemor asylum from the Cardassians, the Chrysalians that Devinoni Ral was representing for rights to the Barzan Wormhole, or for that matter the Caldonians who he convinced to withdraw their bid…they were more interested in science than power but times change. Plus the Zalkonians, the Fen Domar, even the First Federation.
Plus, you know, new aliens that you could fit into the existing lore. …like whoever those guys were that we find out wiped out “Jean-Luc’s” people in “Future Imperfect.” Or maybe someone on the far end of formerly Romulan space that we find out are the real reason they went silent for 50 years until TNG.
