The Walking Dead Season 5

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  1. yenny

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    Here is the news from The Talking Dead main website. It doesn't mention who the mystery guest is. But it does mention that there going to be a mystery cast member guest. http://blogs.amctv.com/the-walking-dead/talkingdeadcom/

    We don't know who that mystery guest is. It could be a past cast member, a present cast member or a future cast member. But it will be someone that will be involve in episode 13(Forget).
     
  2. Obiwanshinobi

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    Would be cool if it was Jon Bernthal!
     
  3. TREK_GOD_1

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    The last thing this series needs is more Daryl torment. After Merle, his anguish over not being able to kill the Governor (preventing Hershel's murder), and now Beth, that emotional path has been well explored.

    Unlike Beth, Carol - the other character everyone thought would die early on, should break that expectation and be made a long-term character. A mainstay, and not a tool for tear-jerking, shock episodes.
     
  4. Ryan8bit

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    Yeah, I'm not saying they should kill her, just what the implications of that might mean. Daryl is on an edge right now, and that death could push him over. He's sort of like Worf, who seemed to constantly be having tragedy around him. Regardless of Carol, he's probably going to break or do something rash sometime this season.
     
  5. yenny

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    Yeah, here it is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-sfiIrApmk
     
  6. Beagleman

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    I wouldn't mind them to fuck with the comic readers and kill Rick off and keep Daryl as the new leader of our group, it wouldn't be much of a change of character for the leader but it opens a lot of new paths...
     
  7. Skywalker

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    I don't really think Daryl is leader material. If Rick were to die (which I highly doubt will happen except for maybe the series finale), I think Carol would be a better replacement as group leader.
     
  8. davejames

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    Nah, for me Rick is a far cooler and more interesting character than Daryl (or any other character on the show for that matter), with many more shades and layers to him and a journey that I find much more compelling to watch.

    The show might be able to function well without Rick for a few episodes, but I wouldn't want to see him disappear for good.
     
  9. Skywalker

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    Agreed, for the most part. Particularly your first point about Rick being a much better character than Daryl.
     
  10. Obiwanshinobi

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    And if not Carol, Glenn would be good as well.
     
  11. Skywalker

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    I feel bad that I totally forgot about Glenn, who's developed into one of my favorite characters. :lol: I agree that he would probably be a solid leader now, too.
     
  12. Velocity

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    Glenn seemed like a kid back when he saved Rick in the tank, but now he's a man, standing up to Aiden with no hesitation. He still has his moral compass although it might allow more than it used to. His morality and niceness makes me concerned for his staying power in this show.
     
  13. Mojochi

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    Killing Daryl off in any insignificant way would be a dramatic betrayal after all the development he's been given. Characters with far less growth were given meaningful deaths (Andrea comes to mind) To give her a dramatic arc to her death & not give it to someone like Daryl would be a total slap in the face to the viewers. I'd say the same holds true for Rick, Glenn, Carol, maybe Carl & eventually Michonne. None of them are above death though

    However, killing Daryl off in a meaningful way does not betray anything, least of all the viewer, imho. The question then becomes, what is the proper way to kill Daryl off in a meaningful way, that brings his character to a satisfying conclusion?

    My opinion is that there is only one way for them to do it right, especially in this current story arc. Daryl is an outcast again (Perhaps not to his friends, but to the community at large)

    If after a prolonged period where Daryl is treated like an outcast, by these new people, (Like being followed by Aaron in the teaser) & there is clearly an issue of him not having the ability to fit in with them, all the while watching the others do so, if he were to then end up sacrificing himself in some way which would provide long term stability & safety to the community, then that would be showing every member of that community the truth of Daryl's nature

    Deana says she's "Just trying to figure Mr. Dixon out" Maybe for these people there is no figuring out who he truly is without a defining act by him, that displays it for them all to see... that Daryl is troubled, but secretly a noble, honorable, compassionate, loyal, intelligent, fearless, willfully independent, & heroic man

    If he were to die individually displaying that in defense or preservation of this community, which probably lacks the ability to do so for themselves, it would be both a wakeup call to these people about the world they now live in, & the kind of character it takes to stand your ground in it, & it would serve as a longstanding memorial to his character that he did something which gave them the home they needed. That they only have a home in Alexandria because Daryl did what he did & gave his life for it

    That's the only way they can kill Daryl & have it sit well with people.
    He's already sacrificed himself. He knows he doesn't belong there in this life. The only reason Daryl gets up each day & does what he does is to help & protect these people. Rick may be their leader, but Daryl is their champion. You only kill your champion by having him show his worth for all to see, especially if that worth is not readily noticeable to the group, as it appears will be his case here
    Daryl knows he's not an indoor cat. That does not diminish his worth as a noble man. You may see him die, but if he does, that nobility must be on full display for it to not be a betrayal. Everybody in Rick's group gets a job. Maybe the only job Daryl is qualified for is being the martyr........ maybe

    I hope I'm wrong, because I love having him on the show
     
  14. Cyke101

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    Daryl to me seems like he's more comfortable as a strong lieutenant, to either Rick or Carol.
     
  15. Trekker4747

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    I may lay money on Judith. She's survived longer than she did in the comics so she's on borrowed time. I believe Norman Reedus is already signed and contracted for a Season 6 so he's theoretically safe through the end of this season, though who knows how long in 6.

    I'd also still lay money down on Carol as well.
     
  16. Mojochi

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    Carol's story right now has interesting potential. How's this little façade play out? Does she just drop it at some point & let the real her out in brutal form maybe? Is Deanna really a championship poker player level judge of people, & can see right through Carol's shtick & eventually calls her on it? Carol's dishonesty might be something that could end in her getting ousted or causing a rift with the townies

    Or does something happen that she could've prevented if she'd been handling things appropriately, but because she's playing casserole queen she misses out on being there?
     
  17. Tom Hendricks

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    At some point, like many actors Andrew Lincoln will not want to play Rick Grimes anymore. If the show is still on the air at that point, Rick will have to die.
     
  18. TREK_GOD_1

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    I hope not. He's not--or should not be that same, self segregating, wild card guy from season one. Sharing struggles with the diverse original / Greene group molded him into an important part of that collective. In other words, he's not as Merle saw himself in his last conversations with Daryl and Michonne). Daryl doing something rash now--as some reaction to the "normalcy" of the ASZ would be too out of character.

    Deanna--no matter how good a poker player she thinks she is--is not capable of knowing Carol's background and changes in the wake of Ed & Sophia's death. Carol has the advantage of another life to "play" which suggest nothing screwy.

    Unlike Rick--who plays it fairly straight as a grim, suspicious survivalist, Carol never approached Aaron or Deanna in that way. It would be to their failing to waste time over analyzing Carol, which would would allow others in Rick's group--the "obvious" threats--to plot and act at will.

    Still, if Deanna somehow figures Carol out, that would be convenient plotting, as she has nothing to work with in reaching a conclusion about her true self. At least Dawn had real feedback to work with in her exchanges with Beth. Though she failed to recognize Beth's strength, Greene still offered more than a completely fake history--and that is all Deanna has to work with.
     
  19. Ryan8bit

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    Not really. I think one thing that's been established about Daryl is that he still carries his contempt from before the apocalypse to the present. He showed a lot of resentment for the rich people at the golf club, and scoffed at that painting because it would be owned by rich people. Then all of sudden his group comes into this neighborhood that was basically built for rich people, and is likely still populated by some of them. Regardless of how his character has changed, he will never be able to adjust to that.

    I don't think that means he's gonna snap and go insane though. He might just leave or hang outside the walls in one of those dilapidated houses. Or maybe he'll be sent into exile after beating the crap out of Aidan. Something has to give though.
     
  20. Mojochi

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    It's not about knowing the specifics of Carol's background though. It's about reading her acting performance. Carol is the only one acting like that right now. Now, there's probably some rationale you could apply as to why a person might be behaving like she is, when the others are not (Like she was maybe the last to join Rick's group or something) but realistically, it's suspect, when everybody else in Rick's group is blatantly worn, frazzled, skittish, hardened & on the ragged edge, that Carol isn't acting like that is something of a red flag. I mean if someone fancies themselves a masterful judge of character, being able to spot a wolf in sheep's clothing would clearly fall into that wheelhouse, & that's exactly what Carol's doing right now. She's a wolf & she's playing sheep, & though it might be blending well with the neighbors, it tends to stick out amongst Rick's other people, who generally have been suspicious, judgmental, confrontational, aloof, and altogether unfriendly

    I'm not saying that's how it'll play out, or that it's going anywhere specific, but it could, & it's just interesting to think about. Frankly, Carol is the one acting unusually