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"The Voyager Conspiracy" - Cardassian ship?

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There was a Galor class vessel mentioned as being in the DQ in this ep, at least according to Seven. Is this ship perhaps supposed to be Gul Evek's Vetar from "Caretaker"?
 
I've often wondered about the few loose ends from 'Voyager Conspiracy' such as this. I believe dialog in the episode expressly states the Cardassian ship arrived before Voyager, so maybe?

:rommie:
 
It's difficult to say how badly the Vetar was damaged by the plasma storms, and it would certainly have suffered more damage if it were transported. But it's not impossible, and it doesn't make as much sense for a random Galor to be floating around that part of space. Of course, that's also a possibility since the Caretaker could have abducted another ship.

Either way, the images shown in TVC don't seem to show a lot of exterior damage, so it's perfectly reasonable that whatever Galor it is would have found a way to survive, as Voyager did.
 
The Vetar had an entire nacelle blown off by the plasma storms while still in the AQ. So I doubt it would have been a worthy candidate for abduction by the Caretaker.
 
I believe it was implied the Caretaker used to send the ships back, and that by the time Voyager and Chakotay's ship showed up, the caretaker didn't have enough time to send them back before completing his mission for Ocampa. So I guess it could have been the Vetar well before they encountered Chakotay in the Badlands. I wouldn't be surprised if the Cardassian High Command figured Chakotay's ship got stranded in the DQ, as well as Voyager and didn't bother to tell Starfleet.
 
Guy Gardener said:
So why did Maje Seska ignore it then?

Perhaps she wasn't aware the ship was in the DQ. It's been a while since I've seen the ep, so I don't recall the specific dialogue.
 
I think it was implied that the Galor ship was destroyed, I'll have to look at the episode again. But the big question is why wasn't there any mention of the Equinox? That would've tied in nicely with Seven's paranoia.
 
Seven: "I'm familiar with the Caretaker's actions. In each instance, he would examine the crews' DNA and when he failed to find a genetic match he would release the vessel, but in this instance Neelix's sensors indicated the ship vanished. Obviously, it was returned to the Alpha quadrant. Why?"

It would seem that returning of ships was exception rather than norm during the "months" Neelix was scavenging the debris field and spying on these arrivals and departures.

We don't know the exact time this Galor was caught, save for it happening within those "months". Could have been just before our heroes arrived, thus allowing this to be Evek's ship. It's not as if the Caretaker was working on a rigid schedule anyway: they got Chakotay's crew several days before they got Janeway's, but both were released at the same time.

The likeliest reason for the disappearance of the Galor is that the Caretaker immediately found the Cardassians unsuited for his experiments, and wanted to concentrate on the simultaneously caught Maquis instead. And removing the obvious natural enemies of the Maquis from the equation would simplify the experiment.

Of course, the crazed Seven has a different theory to offer:

Janeway: "A Cardassian warship!"
Seven: "I've analysed the hull geometry and warp signature. It was one of the same ships that were pursuing Chakotay and his crew in the region known as the Badlands. It was pulled into the Delta quadrant by the Caretaker during that engagement. According to Federation records that same Cardassian warship was found destroyed in the Badlands. The investigation revealed that it was attacked by the Maquis. I believe that for some unknown reason the Caretaker had sent this ship back to the Alpha quadrant and that Commander Chakotay attacked the vessel before it could reach its destination."

Whatever be said of Seven's mental state, the records she quotes are probably real. So Neelix did see the ship disappear, and Starfleet did later record her destroyed, possibly by those Maquis who attacked her.

The part I put in italics leaves open the possibility that the ship was not the Vetar but some other vessel participating in the chase instead. But she could easily have been Evek's ship, too. Whether Evek survived the destruction is a different matter altogether.

Timo Saloniemi
 
We never found out who, or what, fired that energy beam into the Caretaker's reactor as the station was being destroyed. Did we? :confused:
 
It was going to be revealed in season six that it was Gul Duakat's ship, sent back in time on a special mission by the Pah Wraiths, but the DS9 writers wouldn't give them permission to use Gul Duakat.
 
MadBaggins said:
It was going to be revealed in season six that it was Gul Duakat's ship, sent back in time on a special mission by the Pah Wraiths, but the DS9 writers wouldn't give them permission to use Gul Duakat.
Never heard anything remotely close to that, and by the time of The Voyager Conspiracy, Dukat was already trapped with the Pah Wraiths. They wouldn't have needed permission from DS9's (disbanded by that time) writing staff, either.

What I do know is that Voyager Conspiracy was recieving daily re-writes, and Jeri Ryan was having to learn her lines in the morning for the afternoon's shoot. It's amazing that the episode is as coherent as it is.
 
MadBaggins said:
It was going to be revealed in season six that it was Gul Duakat's ship, sent back in time on a special mission by the Pah Wraiths, but the DS9 writers wouldn't give them permission to use Gul Duakat.

I don't think so. The character of Dukat - along with all other Trek characters - is owned by Paramount, so any Trek show can use him. It's not as if every Trek show's writing staff was an armed camp anyway. They used the Defiant in ST:FC, didn't they?
 
Not to perhaps point out the obvious, but I'm pretty sure MadBaggins is just having fun with y'all...his spelling of Dukat would be enough of a tip-off (to me anyway) even if the sheer ludicrousness of the idea wasn't.

Or maybe I'm wrong. It's a mystery!
 
nx1701g said:
^ True, but they may not have wanted to pay the Royalties for the use of the character.

I doubt that's it. He wouldn't have appeared so often on DS9 if that was the case. There seems to be a difference between a character created for a TV show and a character created in an episode, the latter has royalty deals. They were willing to shell out for O'Brien and Ro Laren on DS9 (Forbes, not the studio, turned the latter down), but not Nick Locarno on VOY or T'Pau on ENT... yeah, even I find this confusing.
 
So, on a similar tangent, do we know for sure where the debris field Neelix was inventorying came from? How do we know that's not what happened to the ships the Caretaker found useless who didn't manage to escape?

:rommie:
 
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