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"The Thing" doesn't make a lot of sense...

Trekker4747

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I speak of the 1982 John Carpenter movie that's a remake of "The Thing From Another World" one of, few, good examples of a remake.

Anyway, I think this is a great movie with a great look, atmosphere, score and you can never go wrong with Kurt Russell. But there's parts of it that just don't make too much sense.

First of all, I'm not clear on if the "thing" is replicating people or inhabiting/taking over their bodies. The computer simulation of what the cells are doing (which a 1982 computer in an Antarctic research station performing this kind of simulation? LOL!) it seems to imply that it's taking over the bodies of people but dialogue sort of suggests it's replicating people. But if that's the case where are the originals going? At one point when they kill one of the researchers they say they did it before it had chance to finish the transformation.

When did Wilford Brimley's character get taken over/replaced? He goes mad in the the radio room and starts destroying the radios and he even destroys the helicopters and snow vehicles to prevent anyone from escaping the station and the possibility of leaving and getting back to civilization and exposing the populated world to the thing, they capture him and lock him in a shed then later we find out he was the thing, he tunneled underground and was building a space ship out of parts from the destroyed helicopters and snow vehicles? Huh? How was he tunneling undergroud? Where was he putting the snow/dirt/ice/and such? And building the space craft?

Also the research base had a below-ground generator room with exposed plumbing and such? I don't know much about Antarctic research bases but I'm guessing there's not a lot of heavy construction involved in them including building basements and stuff.

The dog kennel has GRASS in it. GRASS Growing, indoors, from permafrost!

The look and "feel" of Antarctica on some levels seems like it's done pretty well but on others it seems like it's not done well enough, it's said early on it's the first week of "Winter" in Antarctica (which would be in June) and I believe a map shows that these research bases are pretty close to the shore/coast of the continent which means it'd have a pretty "normal" day/night cycle for a winter, but given that it's the south pole it'd be pretty damn cold, and temperatures are even mentioned a couple times in the movie but most of the time when they're outside they're dressed pretty much like you would be for a "regular" winter. At one point one of the researchers says he cut McReady (Kurt Russel) off the guide wire (a wire between building entrances you link yourself to and use to guide you around in white-out conditions where you can use vision to move between locations) the researchers think that when McReady returns he's the thing because no one could get through those conditions without the guide wire, but when we see outside it's not white-out conditions it's just kind of snowy but looks like a regular winter night.

I dunno, just things going through my mind after watching it. It's a great movie and these things don't impact my enjoyment of it, but aspects of it don't completely fit.

And, FWIW, I never minded the 'prequel" made a few years ago with Mary Elizabeth Winestead in it, it kind of creates some problems in the lore and it partly ruins the ambiguous ending of the first movie, and the thing seems more quick to reveal itself, but overall it's an okay sort of movie.
 
First of all, I'm not clear on if the "thing" is replicating people or inhabiting/taking over their bodies. The computer simulation of what the cells are doing (which a 1982 computer in an Antarctic research station performing this kind of simulation? LOL!) it seems to imply that it's taking over the bodies of people but dialogue sort of suggests it's replicating people. But if that's the case where are the originals going? At one point when they kill one of the researchers they say they did it before it had chance to finish the transformation.

While the film is considered a remake of The Thing from Another World, it's really a faithful adaptation of the 1938 John W. Campbell story "Who Goes There?" that TTfAW was much more loosely based on. And in the original story, the alien was a shapeshifter that mimicked the form and absorbed the memories of the prey it devoured. So it wasn't taking over their bodies, it was eating them and shifting into their shape. A literal application of "You are what you eat."
 
I thought alien replicated people by touching them. I think we see it touching the dog with it’s tentacles as it creates a duplicate. I recall another scene wher the thing appears to be trying “eat” one of the station inhabitants, presumably, to start the process of duplicating the guy.

The alien in The Thing is still the second creepiest monster I’v seen in a movie, second only to the xenomorph in the Alien franchise.
 
I think that the "not making a lot of sense" part of it was probably quite deliberate.

That makes the whole story even more unsettling than it would if it was more clear what was going on.
 
I think that the "not making a lot of sense" part of it was probably quite deliberate.

That makes the whole story even more unsettling than it would if it was more clear what was going on.

This. Part of good horror, or even scifi, or a thriller, is not answering every question. The author should know, but shouldn't give it all to the reader. Gives something to throw out at conventions, haha. But even then. The author has to know just to make the world work, but the reader/consumer doesn't. The void is filled in by our imagination, which often expands far beyond than any explanation.

For example - was the Thing a passenger on the ship? A weapon - stowed, or placed? Did it kill everyone on board, or was it, say, taken up by some Alien Enterprise and then let loose? Was it a intentionally made bio-war or a natural organism? Was it a dog-like guard thing surrounded by silicon-based life and they just had an accident and crashed? Etc, etc.

Explaining everything takes too much of the magic away, or gets ridiculous. We're on a site of the franchise that made Technobabble a common term, after all, yet also have no damn clue how the Federation economy works nor the government....
 
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I recall another scene wher the thing appears to be trying “eat” one of the station inhabitants

Wasn't there a scene or two in the '82 film which features somebody's bloodied and torn clothing, and later they turn up as a Thing? So that would lend credence to the theory that it assimilates people and then eats the original.
 
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I always figured Wilfred Brimley's character had been authentically him when they locked him up. He acted like someone who understood the full extent of the danger, & already didn't know who he could trust. Then, later when no one was around to see it, he got overtaken, because isolating someone is the easiest way to get them consumed & replicated.

Also, that he was building a craft says to me that the alien life was intelligent enough to have been the operator(s) of the downed spaceship they unearthed.

My favorite part of the movie is the ending. They want you to think either of them could be the Thing, or that neither of them might be, & leave it open ended like that. However, from the time they perform the blood test, to the very last scene, Kurt Russell is the only one never gone from any given scene. So at the end, he is demonstrably not the Thing. Whereas Keith David goes missing for a time (& it even gets discussed)

So he could be the thing... but also maybe not... and then the director, who throughout the film had been using Ennio Morricone's wonderful synthesized heartbeat-like score as a direct theme for the Thing, cues that music. That music audibly represents the Thing's existence, and that music cues at the very end. So there's only the two of them left & Thing is still there, & it's not MacReady.
 
The Thing can wear clothes, because they are on the outside of the body. Not contained within it, like an earring would be.
Yeah, I'm not buying that either. An earing isn't contained inside our body. It's a hole in our body through which we wear an ear piece. I imagine it can replicate that hole just fine

Interesting corroborating tidbit I found. It seems the director & cinematographer actually put in a tell as to who's still human & who isn't. Apparently, anyone who is shown with a glint of reflective light in their eyes is still human. Conversely, Childs... no glint in his eyes at the end.

https://www.slashfilm.com/the-thing-monster/

But even without that, I still think the music is the ultimate tell. The Thing is still pulsing with life, in the score, & we can trace MacReady being authentic, from thereafter the blood test.
 
Interesting corroborating tidbit I found. It seems the director & cinematographer actually put in a tell as to who's still human & who isn't. Apparently, anyone who is shown with a glint of reflective light in their eyes is still human. Conversely, Childs... no glint in his eyes at the end.

Interesting. That's Blade Runner in reverse. You could recognize the replicants because of the way their eyes reflected light through their pupils like a cat's.
 
Probably because it didn't need to - at that time. Later? Who knows...the shadow knows...wait, wrong show.
 
If Childs is a Thing, then why doesn't he attack MacReady?
Because MacReady is already a dead man, even if Childs weren't the Thing. The fight is over. The whole camp is burning to the ground, there's no way out, & when the fire dies down, he's freezing to death. It's just like he says earlier. The Thing wants to freeze now, & go dormant again, so when someone comes to investigate the disaster there, it can come back.

In that movie, the Thing wins
 
Because MacReady is already a dead man, even if Childs weren't the Thing. The fight is over. The whole camp is burning to the ground, there's no way out, & when the fire dies down, he's freezing to death. It's just like he says earlier. The Thing wants to freeze now, & go dormant again, so when someone comes to investigate the disaster there, it can come back.

In that movie, the Thing wins
“How will we make it?”
“Maybe we shouldn’t”
 
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