Discussion in 'Future of Trek' started by NewHeavensNewEarth, Feb 6, 2020.
I'm happy to leave both behind.
I'm tempted to ignore DSC.
If don't work, dustbin it. Always forward
Because Starfleet captains just believe everything a random alien tells them. Kirk and Picard would never have gotten anywhere if they did that.
That's not even getting into that all Pike has to do now is... leave Starfleet permanently. The one identifying thing he saw in the vision was that he was still in Starfleet when it happened.
I'm more inclined to believe Yistaan's logic than random Klingon Monk on Boreth.
Pike knows what's a potential final outcome, I think he'll find a way to avoid it or to avoid the worst possible outcome.
Good luck with that, Chris.
Yeah, they can change that. Or just ignore it.
I know, his fate is in the hands of the Star Trek Writers now!
Oh just go all the way with it. Have Pike try to resign, with the Starfleet CNC, Section 31 and Federation President beating him to a pulp and forcing him to stay, with Pike screaming "A Klingon on Boreth showed me a vision where I'll be blasted with delta radiation if I stay in Starfleet!" and the entire Federation Council laughs and mocks Pike.
Nah, Pike needs to shout "I am invincible" at every non delta ray related threat.
And constantly click an ink pen.
At which point Pike meets with Surprisingly Realistic Outcome - TV Tropes and is immediately killed. M'Benga, Boyce, and Section 31 then painstakingly conjure a duplicate Pike to ensure the Boreth vision is fulfilled, fearing intergalactic timeline repercussions if it isn't.
I don't see the issue. His fate is years away, almost certainly after SNW has run its course. We're not worrying about Spock's death at the age of 162 in the alternate 2263, so why worry about Pike's brief accident and retirement to Talos? Why worry about M'Benga's likely demotion or reassignment? Why worry about the bad things "destined" to happen to Uhura or Chapel? It's of no concern to the characters as they exist from c. 2258 to c. 2265.
The Pike wheelchair makes no sense when dealing with more modern tech but it's also a very iconic Trek thing and so associated for decades to the Pike character you can't just not use it. Unless your doing alternate universe. Which I still don't understand why their is so much resistance to the idea. Do the writers not know their is other universes out their besides Prime, Mirror and Kelvinverse?
It's an issue because Pike knows about it. The other characters don't know their own fate. Realistically any normal person would be screaming about this from the rooftops and trying to avert it.
The Pike wheelchair is a lot like having a stack of PADDs on your desk for file work when even today you can open multiple windows on one device to do so. It's more a dramatic choice than a sensible one, but for 1967 television writers I'm sure it sounded high-tech and in-universe there are probably good reasons why Pike's communication skills in the chair are so limited.
To me this one of the things I find really compelling about the show. Him knowing his fate and having to deal with it. It's also part of why I wish it was a alternate universe. The suspense you could build on whether or not he can cheat fate or is doomed like our Pike could make for some good drama.
I do it all the time.
It's even more bizarre how selective the delta radiation is in its damage. Pike is mentally fine except for being unable to say anything but yes or no. He can see and hear (maybe there were implants involved but keep in mind Geordi still needed a visor a century later).
It does come off like a contrived plot device.
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