Respectfully I was talking broadly, using the continuity disparity brought up in this thread as an example. I understand that everyone is a little different, but for myself if I am responding directly to a point made by another poster I always endeavor to quote the relevant portion beforehand. I apologize for the confusion.
the state of the Borg in Trek Fiction?
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You don't need to "keep track" of the different continuities, though, anymore than you have to "keep track" of the different Batman continuities before you watch Batman: The Animated Series or Batman: The Brave and the Bold or Chris Nolan's The Dark Knight. There's a reason people were surprised to realize that the Trek novel Inception wasn't part of the Destinyverse: Because you didn't need to think about the Destinyverse at any point while reading it. You can read them all on their own terms, without regard to anything else.
^Right. There's no requirement to "keep track" of everything. That's why there are so many different series and continuities: to appeal to different audiences with different interests and tastes. You can read whichever parts are of interest to you and don't need to worry about the rest. That even applies within the main continuity.
Right off the bat, Spock did not marry Saavik in that trilogy. Also, McCoy dies in the 2360s, whereas he's still alive as of 2381 after the Borg Invasion (A Singular Destiny).
At the time it was published, it was said by Marco on many occasions that Crucible was its own thing, which is probably the major reason why Christopher doesn't count it as part of the "Destinyverse." The trilogy wasn't intended to fit into any building novel continuity.
The main point of departure for Crucible from the "novelverse" is the trilogy's vastly different picture of the post-Star Trek: The Motion Picture period. (For instance, Crucible wholly incompatible with Christopher's post-ST:TMP work.) The minor point of departure is Spock's wife, who is different than in other books, such as the Vulcan's Heart/Soul series of books.
ETA: Thanks, Sci, I forgot about McCoy's death. I'm not sure how I forgot.
There's also the fact that in Crucible, Admiral McCoy dies many years earlier than he does in the main novel continuity.
If I'm getting really pedantic, I just remembered that DRGIII's depiction of how McCoy found out he was incurably ill before getting cured in "For the World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky" is incompatible with S.D. Perry's depiction of those circumstances in the novel Section 31: Abyss (which Christopher references in the novel Ex Machina).
wait - McCoy died in the main TrekLit continuity?
how could I have missed it?
when? where? how?
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wait - McCoy died in the main TrekLit continuity?
how could I have missed it?
when? where? how?
Christopher's affirmation also makes sense if McCoy is still alive in the main trek continuity while he died in 'Crucible' years ago, RonG.
Sorry, poor choice of words. What I meant was that, as far as we know, he hasn't died yet in the main novel continuity, whereas in Crucible he died in
2366, two years after "Encounter at Farpoint."
Am I a bad person for wishing he was dead in the main novel cont? Nothing against the character but McCoy, Uhura, Chekov etc all surviving into the now that is the mid to late 24th century has always bugged me a bit and felt more than a little unnatural.
^Well, if anything, Trek's portrayal of human life expectancy in the 24th century is probably too conservative. Remember, people hundreds of years ago would've considered our modern life expectancies "unnatural." Nature is anything but immutable.
But yeah, I do find it contrived that so many of Kirk's bridge crew have survived that long. Even allowing for longevity increases in the future, Starfleet is still a dangerous gig. It's implausible that these seven people in particular should be all but immune to death. Well, at least Kirk wasn't resurrected in the main novel continuity, and Sulu's fate is unknown (although Armageddon Sky hinted that he was still alive in 2372).
But yeah, I do find it contrived that so many of Kirk's bridge crew have survived that long. Even allowing for longevity increases in the future, Starfleet is still a dangerous gig. It's implausible that these seven people in particular should be all but immune to death. Well, at least Kirk wasn't resurrected in the main novel continuity, and Sulu's fate is unknown (although Armageddon Sky hinted that he was still alive in 2372).
No, you're not a bad person.
As for Dr. McCoy -- if he's alive in 2382 after having been born in 2227, that makes him about 155, which is a little bit over what the canon has established to be the average Human lifespan of approximately 150. And of course McCoy was the oldest of the TOS cast, so it's not, I think, implausible that he, Uhura, and Chekov are still alive and kickin'.
Agreed. The Destiny Trilogy has done away with the Borg, and I think, though don't quote me, that both Captain Picard and Seven of Nine have stated in multiple post-Destiny books that the Borg are gone.
Personally, I was among those readers who were growing tired of continual Borg-centric stories, so I have no dissatisfaction about the elimination of the Borg are antagonists in Trek. It was a galactic shake up, but IMO it needed to happen.
We have no ideas about the Dominion returning for a second war, the Klingons are our friends again, the Romulans have collapsed into Civil War, the Cardassians will be rebuilding for some time, and the Typhon Pact hadn't happened yet, so those individual powers will still seperated and not major threats to the Federation. The Borg were, essentially, the only major enemy the Federation had to contend with, and I'm guessing the upper echelons realized that they couldn't just tell stories about the Borg.
IMO, the Borg are gone, and we will not here from them again in the Prime Timeline.
Personally, I was among those readers who were growing tired of continual Borg-centric stories, so I have no dissatisfaction about the elimination of the Borg are antagonists in Trek. It was a galactic shake up, but IMO it needed to happen.
We have no ideas about the Dominion returning for a second war, the Klingons are our friends again, the Romulans have collapsed into Civil War, the Cardassians will be rebuilding for some time, and the Typhon Pact hadn't happened yet, so those individual powers will still seperated and not major threats to the Federation. The Borg were, essentially, the only major enemy the Federation had to contend with, and I'm guessing the upper echelons realized that they couldn't just tell stories about the Borg.
IMO, the Borg are gone, and we will not here from them again in the Prime Timeline.
I don't mind them being alive, I just hate the idea that Uhura is working in Starfleet Intelligence. She's not M, and putting her in the shady spy corner of the Trek universe simply isn't believable. Head of Starfleet Linguistics (her title in Of Gods and Men) suits her much, much better, IMO.
It always made sense to me. In the 23rd Century, equipment was not sophisticated enough to allow for computers to automatically recognize communications and assign importance to them/translate them hence the need to employ communications officers.
By the 24th Century more of this is automated, so the need goes away...so what to do with all these people who are trained to look at a whole load of gibberish, most of it meaningless and pick out the useful bits and extrapolate upon them?
Uhura as M is fine to me, she doesn't go out on missions herself, she has a lot of agents reporting to her, she takes the information they give her and extrapolates from it. The job isn't a million miles away from when she was sat on the Enterprise Bridge listening to the subspace frequencies...
By the 24th Century more of this is automated, so the need goes away...so what to do with all these people who are trained to look at a whole load of gibberish, most of it meaningless and pick out the useful bits and extrapolate upon them?
Uhura as M is fine to me, she doesn't go out on missions herself, she has a lot of agents reporting to her, she takes the information they give her and extrapolates from it. The job isn't a million miles away from when she was sat on the Enterprise Bridge listening to the subspace frequencies...
Just to get back to the topic title: I just finished Before Dishonor, and even though I love Peter David's work in New Frontier, this book really disappointed me.
I always liked the offbeat writing style of Peter David for New Frontier, but here it just doesn't work. I'm glad I read it, since it makes it easier to read Greater Then The Sum which I'm reading now, but as a stand alone book, I wouldn't recommend it, mostly because of the direction they went with for the Borg. They really didn't scare me anymore, they were just plain silly.
A Supercube bigger then Earth, Janeway as the new Queen, characters out of character. I really hate how Jellico and Nechayev being some sort of token Admirals who try to be funny and cool somehow....
I always liked the offbeat writing style of Peter David for New Frontier, but here it just doesn't work. I'm glad I read it, since it makes it easier to read Greater Then The Sum which I'm reading now, but as a stand alone book, I wouldn't recommend it, mostly because of the direction they went with for the Borg. They really didn't scare me anymore, they were just plain silly.
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