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The State of Star Trek Literature

Sxottlan

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A little earlier than last year, a little later than the year before. I really haven't posted much lately or even kept up on the threads, but I don't think anything similar has been posted lately.

This year's thread should be interesting given all the changes.

1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?

5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?

6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?

Enjoy!
 
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1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?

From my perspective, the offerings have been poor. I've enjoyed only one of the novels published in the last fifteen months (Vanguard: Precipice), and three entries in series I usually read have disappointed (Vanguard: Open Secrets, Deep Space Nine: The Soul Key, Deep Space Nine: The Never-Ending Sacrifice). I hope this year's remaining novels will be more to my liking, but am not entirely optimistic. Only one novel is scheduled in a series I usually enjoy (Deep Space Nine: The Rough Beasts of Empire), and it appears to follow Destiny at least as much as that series; I'm also interested in Zero Sum Game, but it, too, continues the story from Destiny.

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time?

I liked Vanguard: Precipice.

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so?

I've disliked the increasing cohesion between series. I like serial publication, but I would prefer it limited to the books within series. I would also prefer to see a less universe-changing approach to storytelling, and a return to traditional story-types for each series (I mean those story types which typified the individual series while they were televised).

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked?

I've disliked the increasingly plot-driven approach to storytelling, and the return to stories set in the aftermath of cataclysm which we'd finally seemed to begin to escape after years of commentary about the strains of the Dominion War, Genesis Wave, etc.

5. What editorial decisions from the last 12-15 months have you like or not liked?

6. What changes or additions to the Trek book line have you liked editorial-wise (i.e. focus on one series over another)?

I'm likely to little more than repeat myself in answering these. On the whole, I'm still not pleased with anything related to the recent Borg stories other than the introductions of Kadohata and the Aventine. Particularly, I dislike the aftermath of Destiny and the death of Admiral Janeway. I was glad that two Vanguard novels and two Deep Space Nine were published, but was disappointed with three of those four.

7. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?


I would like to see consideration of the originality, depth, logical integrity, and indispensability of novels before they are published. At least one novel this year was largely a bridging story between other entries in its series (Vanguard: Open Secrets). I'd prefer to never again see a novel deliver so little not already thoroughly implied.
 
I'm likely to little more than repeat myself in answering these.

Yeah, I tried to change up the questions this year. Most of the answers get unloaded in the first two questions anyway.

I also realized two of the questions were basically asking the same thing, so I just deleted one of them.
 
1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?
Before Destiny, I was strictly DS9-R. But after that incredible trilogy, I became more interested in following the other 24th Century series (TNG-R, VOY-R and TTN). And now that the ENT-R is doing the Romulan War, I've started following that series as well, since that's another period in Trek history that I'm interested in. As far as these book lines go, I'm happy with them so far. I have no real complaints other than I wish there were more 24th Century books per year. :)

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?
I really enjoyed the two DS9 novels, particularly The Never-Ending Sacrifice, since I love Cardassian stories.

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?
If anything, my only complaint is a minor one, about the long wait in between books. As for the stories themselves, none have really disappointed me. I guess I'm just real easy to entertain. :techman:

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?
I've enjoyed seeing how each 24th Century crew (with the exception of DS9, at least until Rough Beasts of Empire) is adjusting to the post-Destiny universe. I just enjoy all that interconnected-ness.

5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?
Letting Marco Palmieri and Margaret Clark go. Although those happened longer than 15 months ago, it was still a bummer. I was interested in seeing how they each would have handled their own ideas for the DS9-R. But I understand sometimes stuff happens. I now look forward to what the new editor Jamie (sorry, I forget the last name) will do.

6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?
Other than my aforementioned wish about having more 24th Century books per year, I think the novel line doing fine as it is. Really can't wait for the Typhon Pact books. :techman:
 
i'm going to lump my answers all in together.

i'm VERY pleased with the new VGR novels and hope ms Beyer keeps writing them, i continue to enjoy TTN and VGD. My biggest gripe is the decision to publish in trade format, i wish they'd just stick to doing the damn MMPBs. i applaud the decision to utilise the schedule gaps to get the next COE trades out instead of us having to wait longer.
loved Sorrows of Empire extended edition.
 
1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?

This thread is well-timed. I just picked up a Trek book (Strange New World X, languishing on my shelf for a while now) for the first time since, I believe, July. And given that I've not purchased or read a Trek book for the better part of a year, how else can I answer this question but to say that my impression of the Trek line now is a rather poor one. This is mainly due to the franchise's tailspin into nuBSG-style genocide-chic and its attendant consequences, such the abandonment of the line's diversity. And even outside that subjective viewpoint, it seems like the line has been troubled. Two editors gone supposedly due to the "bad economy" (though, silver lining, perhaps this offers up the hope of some bad decisions being rescinded), and this year's TOS-obsessed schedule backfiring with the sudden rescinding of permission to do books based on Abrams' Product (which actually works out for me since I have no interest in anything spawned by that third-rate hackjob of a film, but am interested in the S.C.E. reprints we'll be getting instead; although I'm sure the writers must be disappointed that after putting all that effort into a novel it won't reach its audience.) Pocket was obviously caught with its pants down if they have nothing better to fill the void than reprinting a book whose author subsequently became well-known in the hopes of cashing in on people who won't know any better and will except an Anita Blake-style Trek novel--which is just sad. From what I recall, Nightshade was a pretty forgettable entry--anybody who makes Nightshade their first Trek book is likely to make Nightshade their last Trek book. Finally, I was checking Memory Beta a few days ago to see what I'd missed in terms of announcements, and it seems that there's next to nothing known about the future of the line which I didn't already know about way back in July--just that Vanguard and Voyager are getting new entries, and Christopher is writting a book based on the "Trials and Tribble-ations" investigators. Suppose it's no surprise that losing two senior editors really screws with your workload.

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?

Hard to say. I suppose there are individual entries amidst the overall tailspin which I did enjoy on their own merits. The Mirror Universe books, KRAD's Q novel, Christopher's TNG-R entry; even Gods of Night was a groovy read on first experience, though it obvious takes retroactive knocks for where the story ultimately ends up (or fails to end up, in the case of the 24th-century plotlines).

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?

The obvious thing is Destiny. I was so let down by that trilogy and its wallowing in death, destruction, despair, despondency, degeneracy and other words starting with "de". Such a great start, such a grand canvas, but what an ultimately perverse ending, sidelining if not making entirely irrelevant most of its cast, glorifying impotence and fetishizing failure, and leaving the setting a flaming ruin, a dystopian shadow of its former self. I was having some compatibility issues with the line prior to that, but Destiny was really the point where I just said "Enough of this. There's no point in wasting my time on this spoiled setting or these ruined characters anymore." And the passing of time has, if anything, only made starker the bitterness of it. I realize I was doing something foolish: persisting through 'entertainment' that did not entertain out of the memory or hope that it would do so again, infinitely deferring satisfaction along a strings of "Didn't like that? Just wait until you read..." There just comes a point where one has to say "I've given this enough chances, and it doesn't look like things are going to get better any time soon." Destiny was that point for me. Of course, Destiny is not alone is this: Before Dishonor indulged in the same kind of themes, and didn't even have the trilogy's redeeming feature of being well-written at the micro level. And outside the 24th-century, Kobayashi Maru perpetuated the same problems as the prior instalment in the ENT-R--the absurd plots, the overweening focus on few characters (most notably Tucker) to the detriment of the rest of the cast, and the Manichean humans vs. aliens set-up--leaving me to drop that series as well.

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?

I'd say so, yes. :p It's hard not to notice how the success of nuBSG--or nuBSG's earlier seasons, anyway--has infected other franchises with the belief that they needed to emulate that type of storytelling. Legacy of the Force, Ultimatum, SG:U, probably other things I'm missing, all attempted to capture that particular sensibility to varying degrees of lack of success (Ultimatum was such a piece of shit). Of all of them, however, easily the least suited for such a transmutation was Star Trek, whose core precepts of a better future, populated by a better humanity, stand diametrically opposed to the nuBSG belief in the inherent corruption of people and the uncaring viciousness of the universe. In retrospect, it's easy to see how this trend has actually been running for a while now, probably originating with Resistance and our first glimpse of the mad, ineffective Picard that would culminate in a figure who spends his time wallowing in self-pity on the holodeck, shooting down everybody's ideas while offering none of his own like a one-man Republican party, and finally prosterning himself before his Caeliar saviours on the bridge of his own ship in Destiny. (Curious that the end of two editorial periods--Ordover and Marco/Margaret, seem to coincidence with efforts to tear down Picard [Ordover in the perceived madness and disgrace of Picard in the A Time To... series, which becomes literalized in Picard's psychotic, disgraceful behaviour in the TNG-R]--trying to sabotage your lead character: a sign of exhausted creativity?) The TNG-R imitated nuBSG staples such as: introducing asshole characters for seemingly no other purpose than having asshole characters, or else turning established characters into assholes; pointless infighting with all the mutiny claptrap artificially shoehorned into an actual crisis; the callous, arbitrary death of main or recurring characters, most notably Janeway's empty, out-series butchering. The result is the loss of something that had been unique (and I know because I tried and failed to find something that could replace Trek as a believable, optimistic series): a positive outlook on the future, traded for one of hundreds of similarly dark, dystopian universes. Looking ahead, I can't generate any interest in these twisted versions of the setting or characters, can't care what happens to this crippled Federation, to this mewling, contemptible Picard, this indecisive, fretful Riker, this meek, deferrent Worf, this futile, self-righteous LaForge, or anybody else. It's so sad to see these once stalwart figures reduced to this point, brought low by an attitude that seems to say that dignity is a obstacle to storytelling. Heck, I'm surprised Tuvok made it out without turning into gibbering wreck, the way any character with gravitas seems to be being systematically stripped of it, brought down to a level even below contemporary people, shucking the social aspect of this science-fiction universe in an apparent refusal of the idea that people can improve.

5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?

Kind of similar to the last question, so here I'd like to talk about the impact on the broader line. Destiny has eliminated what used to be one of the line's greatest strengths: it's diversity. Different series could be expected to yield different sorts of storytelling. If you didn't like one, you could read others. I didn't like Vanguard, but that didn't prevent me from reading anything else. The scale of destruction in Destiny is such that there's essentially no escaping it by turning to another series; every aspect of the 24th-century line has become subservient to genocide-chic trendiness. Where can disenfranchised fans of the better future of the 24th century, of the storytelling that animated shows like TNG, turn to? Nowhere, it seems. The ENT era is mired in absurdities, I've never liked TOS (particularly now that Abrams has also brought those characters into the genocide-chic trend), and TNG/DS9/VOY and their literary spin-offs continue to wallow in pseudo-nuBSG darkness. Now we're heading for a Cold War analogy, which seems like a birazze throwback to something that was only topical back when TOS was onscreen; indeed, it sometimes seems like, between the ENT-R's attempts to look more like TOS, and the current trends in the 24th century of a Federation reduced in size and encircled by foes, that everything is becoming more like TOS--an effect that can't be ascribed to the film, since these trends predated the movie. Just more loss of diversity.

6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?

Get rid of the genocide-chic--literally, if at all possible. Apologies to those who wrote them, but I'd like nothing more than to see Destiny and its various progenitors and successors rayed from the continuity, the Federation and characters restored to their unsullied state. Otherwise, reverse the effects. Q, time travel--I don't care how. Bring Risa back. Bring Janeway back. Bring Data back. To hell with verisimilitude. What's the point, if it merely serves makes the setting dreary and uninteresting? I'd rather stretch my credibility and enjoy Trek again, than read something I take no pleasure in just so that I can call it realistic. Grant the various series their distinct type of storytelling and their relevant thematic interests, instead of making everybody do the same despondent thing. Let's see the old themes of optimism and humanism take the foreground. Let's see characters you can look up to, people who inspire--allow our heroes to be heroes again. Let's see stories about strange new worlds, about encounters that inspire not dread but awe, in a setting not about suffering and loss but about the potentiality of humanity to solve their own puzzles and create a peaceful, prosperous interstellar community.

Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
 
How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?
I think that the book line has suffered from the editorial changes (Palmieri's and Clark's departures) and I think that for the most part, the 2009 offerings were not the greatest ever compared to the "Palmieri Era", but were mostly good to great.

What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?
As Destiny is my favorite Trek story of all time (and I respectfully disagree with some of the opinions in this very thread - it *was* the epitome of Star Trek - overcoming overwhelming odds and enemies with basically love and acceptance - just *read* it all the way through:rolleyes:), I was very interested in seeing what happened next. Yes, there was destruction, tragedy and hardships, but the war had been won, and the Federation and its allies prevailed in the end. I see the rebuilding period as a stepping stone to a new, different period in UFP history (as represented in the Typhon Pact).

Also, I think the various series do have distinct stories (whether or not they work is a different question), but Titan novels read (IMO) nothing like Vanguard or even TNG-R.

Favorite novels in 2009 were A Singular Destiny, Synthesis, The Sorrows of Empire, the Never Ending Sacrifice, the VGR-R (Full Circle and Unworthy), and the Vanguard novels (Open Secrets and Precipice)

And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?
The one thing I disliked the most was the loss of direction for the DS9-R, and the drawn out MU arc (though that started with Marco Palmieri IIRC). I thought that the Ascendants arc would have been told by now, and the MU arc, followed by the announcement of the 5 year jump to participate in the Typhon Pact, followed by the as-yet-unknown future of the series beyond that, have really lowered my anticipation of the series.

Novels I disliked were The Soul Key, Over a Torrent Sea, Treason (which I had just bought as MMPB) and the recently released Inception (the worst in the last 4 years IMO):vulcan:


What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you disliked?
1. The derailing of the DS9-R overall arc
2. The "musical editors" game
3. Inception - IMO - the attempt to get the Twilight fans into Trek


What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?
Continued consistency and continuity in the 24th century Trek series (including DS9 - just let it stay alligned to the other series and get on with its ongoing plotlines). Also, if possible, more books per year (though that depends on the economy, of course)
 
A little earlier than last year, a little later than the year before. I really haven't posted much lately or even kept up on the threads, but I don't think anything similar has been posted lately.

This year's thread should be interesting given all the changes.

1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?
I think it has done very well despite all of the drama going on behind the scenes.
2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?[/QUOTE
I've really liked what we've gotten in the last year. Especially the post Destiny books, which I thought did a good job of exploring the after effects of the Borg Invasion, but at the same time have still managed to give us some interesting new worlds and cultures. My favorite novels, were The Never-Ending Sacrifice, Synthesis, Precipice, and The Sorrows of Empire.
3. And what specif]ically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?
Not really.

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?
I'll be honest, I was afraid that Trek might be going down a darker more depressing path after Destiny, but all of the post-D books managed to keep things optimistic. I was really happy to see that instead of having everything fall apart, instead the characters have simply focused on rebuilding what they had, and have continued on with their lives as best they can.
5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?
I was unhappy to see Margaret, and Marco go, they've done some great things for Trek. Same goes for the Abramsverse books, I was really looking forward to them
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6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?
I can't think of anything.
 
Jesus, Trent - tell us how you really feel! In all seriousness though, it's nice to have someone who will post something that scathing without ever seeming disrespectful, and though I disagree strongly with just about everything you posted, I always enjoy reading your opinion.

As for me:

1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?

On a scale of 1 to 10, about a 7.5.

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?

- Kirsten Beyer making Voyager awesome was a surprise and an amazing achievement.
- Vanguard continues to be absolutely outstanding.
- The shared 24th Century Destiny-aftermath stuff is extremely compelling, and I can't wait to see what happens in Typhon Pact. Special mention here to Losing The Peace.
- The Never-Ending Sacrifice was phenomenal.

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?

- I disliked the tone of Synthesis a lot. As much as I love Destiny, I think it's time to rebound into some genuine optimism, and Titan is really a drag at times. No one seems to be happy.
- Not a fan of Troublesome Minds, though I know most were.
- Seven Deadly Sins didn't really land for me.
- Just in general, Margaret taking over from Marco made most of the stuff after May or June pretty noticeably worse than it would've been, in my opinion. Even Unworthy, which was mostly awesome, felt... awkward, in a way Full Circle didn't. It's clear that his departure was a real loss.
- The Romulan War was way too textbook-like and extremely boring, a surprise given the subject matter.

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?

- The return to a sense of optimism is welcome and interesting; I have enjoyed the sense of things getting back to where they're supposed to be from Voyager, A Singular Destiny, and Over A Torrent Sea.

5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?

- Editor musical chairs has been yucky; the delays and cancellations and obvious loss of quality that has resulted has been disappointing. That said, all the stuff we've heard from Costas so far (DTI, new Beyer-VOY, moving Zero Sum Game to the front) sounds like it makes sense, and I can even forgive the obvious cash-grab of reprinting Hamilton's TNG book. Cautious optimism for next year; looking forward to hearing more.

6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?

- I personally would love to see groups of authors get together and plan out arcs for the next few years of each of the 24th century series a little more strongly, in a bit of the same way that the Star Wars EU has done, even if not to that extent. I think some of the recent decisions that've been throwing people (DS9 time jump) are a result of mid-stream changes that a long-term serialized story like this could avoid with some more planning and collaboration.

But then, I don't work for Pocket, I'm not a writer, and I know that the editorial shifts have thrown everything for a loop. So that's just a thought, not really something I expect to see.
 
I personally would love to see groups of authors get together and plan out arcs for the next few years of each of the 24th century series a little more strongly, in a bit of the same way that the Star Wars EU has done, even if not to that extent. I think some of the recent decisions that've been throwing people (DS9 time jump) are a result of mid-stream changes that a long-term serialized story like this could avoid with some more planning and collaboration.

While I don't think that's worked well for Star Wars (I've enjoyed very few novels since The New Jedi Order began: Outbound Flight, The Approaching Storm, Tatooine Ghost, and, to an inferior degree, Allegiance), if it were applied to Star Trek, I'd hope to see certain authors behind my favorite series:

Vanguard: David Mack, Dayton Ward, Kevin Dilmore

Deep Space Nine: Heather Jarman (is she still writing?), David R. George III, James Swallow
 
Yeah. Nerd that I am, I've thought about who I'd want to be in charge of each series, too. Latest version goes like this:

Voyager - Kirsten Beyer, James Swallow
DS9 - S. D. Perry, Heather Jarman, Una McCormack, Geoff Thorne
TNG - David Mack, KRAD (crossover w/ Klingons here), William Leisner
Titan - DRG3 (wouldn't that be GREAT?), Christopher, Margaret Wander Bonanno (again, wouldn't that be GREAT?)

But like I said, it's just a fantasy; for all I know, a bunch of those authors wouldn't be interested in those series at all.

And I actually really loved NJO, though I'll admit it hasn't gone very well for the more recent couple of series.
 
Those lineups you've got there look pretty good to me. I would love to see what DRGIII could do with Titan.
 
1. How do you feel the Trek book line has done in the last 12-15 months?

2. What specifically have you liked in regards to the entire Trek book line in that time? Any favorite novels?

The borg are gone and we know how they started. Good job by David Mack.

3. And what specifically have you disliked in regards to the Trek book line of the last year or so? Any bad or disappointing novels?

4. Any new recurring trends or themes in the last 12 months have you noticed? Anything you've liked or disliked about them?

5. What editorial decisions and changes from the last 12-15 months have you like or disliked?

6. What changes would you like to see in the Trek book line? Be it production choices or story editorial decisions?

Bring Data Back. And then stop telling me why it can't be done well.
 
Trent Roman put it so well in his post,the "genocide chic"was disturbing and disappointing.If ever there was a series about hope and progress it's Trek.The tedious rebuilding of the Federation that is bound to follow the Destiny war is something I find I cannot face,so TNG becomes the latest Trek line that I've effectively dropped.(Leaving only DS9r and Vanguard,and you know their status for the next while).
The only thing that really bothered me was the introduction of so many bland characters.Really,with literally a galaxy's worth of "The best and brightest"available,the newer characters(esp.TNG)seem dull.The trend towards pastiche doesn't help.If you want to write Buffy or House then kindly take yourself to those outlets.
 
None that I'm aware of, but I think he was talking about things that have been announced after she took over anyway.

Although I'm not so sure if she was responsible for the Typhoon Pact rescheduling, since Margaret Clark is editing at least one of the novels (Seize the Fire).
 
I'd have to agree with Trent Roman about the seeming love affair with genocide-chic that has invaded the 24th century titles.

Then there seems to have been some missteps:

Inception - Ugh! Got about 30 pages in and couldn't stand it anymore. It was so dull I wanted to scoop my eyeballs out with a spoon.

The Romulan War - Not really a bad book... but very hard to get into. I find myself reading a few pages here and there when I'm extremely bored. Figure I'll finish it by the time the follow-up is ready.

The Needs of the Many - Just another extremely dull book.

I do have to say there was one bright spot:

The Sorrows of Empire - Loved the expanded edition. Great book, great pacing.

Unfortunately, I'm kinda to the point where I find myself looking more at my 'to be read' pile than the newer publications from Pocket when it comes to Trek. There are plenty of better books that already cover genocide and its aftermath. And the coming "Warsaw Pact" books don't really do anything for me either.

Guess I'm kinda waiting around for when the line swings back around to "exploring strange new worlds".
 
^Which it actually is doing right now in the Titan books, and Voyager. Those two series actually deal very little with the Federation wide impact of Destiny, although we do see the personal impact it has on their characters. So fart the only books to really deal with the Federation wide effects are A Singular Destiny, and Losing the Peace. In fact, in (I think it's) ASD Bacco gives a whole speech about how important it is to get back out there exploring new worlds, and meeting new civilizations. I'm sorry, but this IMO mischaracterization of the whole line. You keep making it sound all of the books have been nothing death and destruction all the time, but they really really haven't. Like said up thread, of the six books that have taken place after Destiny only two have actually dealt with the death and destruction post-BI, but even they still managed keep a positive, and IMO still very Trek out look on the whole thing.
 
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