The Star Trek iceberg

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by F. King Daniel, Jul 14, 2020.

  1. Greg Cox

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    And the hills the greenest green . . . in Seattle.

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  2. cooleddie74

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    Full of hopes and full of fears...

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  3. Greg Cox

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    Full of dreams to last the years . . . in Seattle!
     
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    When you find your own true love you will know it!

    By the smile, by the look in his eye!
     
  5. hbquikcomjamesl

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    Scent of pine trees in the air
    Boys all stand around and stare
    Look out everyone, Here Come the Brides.

    I have only the vaguest memory of HCTB in first-run (I was eight when it was canceled), but then again, I have no memory at all of ST:TOS in first-run.

    Saw most of the second season (but not the first) in strip syndication, long after I'd read Ishmael the first time, and also after I'd become aware that Ms. Hambly had managed to sneak an unauthorized crossover under the radar. I will note that Ms. Hambly and the HCTB writers disagreed on how Aaron's last name is spelled.

    I will also note that Shout! Factory has the second season of HCTB on DVD for a reasonable price, but the first season DVD set (probably by somebody else) is rare and insanely expensive, even if you go through Alibris (and even worse if you don't).

    And for those who've never heard of HCTB, well, imagine Seven Brides for Seven Brothers meets Bill Speidel's uncensored Seattle history books (particularly Sons of the Profits). Kind-of. Sort-of. (And yes, I'm aware that Seven Brides is set in Oregon, not Washington!) And the ST connection should be clear two paragraphs up.
     
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  6. Wowbagger

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    Tumblr sent me here.

    Lots of obscure '70s/'80s fan fic (good!), but not enough obscure modern fan fic (at least after Tier 4). Suggested inserts:

    Tier 5: Star Trek Aurora
    Tier 6: Aaron Vanderkley
    Tier 7: The Divine Celestial Imperium
    Tier 8: The first 58 seasons of Star Trek Anbar
     
  7. cooleddie74

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    Conan O'Brien is canon in Trek. So that means Triumph the Insult Comic Dog is a potential crossover character.

    LD writers, listen up...
     
  8. hbquikcomjamesl

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    ?????:confused::confused:
     
  9. cooleddie74

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  10. Tim Thomason

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    I know Memory Alpha (my alma mater) says that's who or what he was referencing (specifically Late Night with Conan O'Brien), but all he really says in the episode is:
    I watched TV in 2004, and there were many nights when I didn't want to miss Conan either. But that applied to two Conans, both the Late Night show (which aired between 1993 and 2009, and continues to this day on different channels and shows), and the animated series Detective Conan AKA Case Closed (which aired on [adult swim] from May 2004 to February 2005).

    I think Strode may have been such a crazy degenerate, that he really didn't want to miss the next episode of Detective Conan.
     
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    I just looked it up on MA. And I'd completely forgotten it. Then again, the Xindi War tended to blur together in my mind, much the same way the Dominion War did.
     
  12. dupersuper

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    War is like that. When you're stuck in the mud and the filth, just trying to survive, one day's the same as the next...
     
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  13. hbquikcomjamesl

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    And the Bird didn't want a space-war series anyway. And I don't blame him one bit.
     
  14. The Wormhole

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    I don't know, it was starting to get silly just how many wars the Federation was always being mentioned to have been involved in in the past on TOS and TNG. TV shows are supposed to be set during periods in which the interesting stuff happens. Yet, Star Trek had a tendency to save the interesting stuff for things that happened in the past that get referenced, or the stuff of alternate timelines or futures which get reset at the end of the episode.
     
  15. dupersuper

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    That applies only if you consider war more interesting than exploration.
     
  16. The Wormhole

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    Regardless, the point still stands, that significant events, both of historical significance or of personal significance only seems to happen off-screen in Star Trek, usually as exposition to set a storyline up or in an alternate future that gets reset.
     
  17. cooleddie74

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    I wish we'd learned the background of Station Salem One, mentioned by Picard(?) early in TNG and possibly in Season 1 as being a pivotal moment in history. In my head I've sort of retconned it to be the attack by the Romulans that started the Earth-Romulan War. It was the attack that started the formal war between the Romulan Star Empire and the Coalition of Planets.
     
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  18. Nerys Myk

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    Never should have crossed the Witches.
     
  19. Wowbagger

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    Alright, these still stump me, months later, plz help:

    Surak Was An Internet Blogger
    Prod Nero
    Buddy The Smiling Vulcan
    How The Federation Economy Works (unless the meaning here is "nobody knows" or "if you've thought about it longer than the writers of First Contact, you get the points")
    Hermaphrodite Talosians
    Federation Pleasurebots
    No Toilets Near Ten Forward (is this just a reference to the 1701D blueprints? I mean, I've read them, but there must be greater significance)
    Shuttles Beam Poop Out Of You (why?)

    As someone who personally contributed an entire paragraph to the Memory Alpha page on toilets, I thought for sure I'd get all the poop jokes (sorry, Trip!), but I came up short.

    P.S. Does Voyager's Magic Shuttlebay refer to the way it keeps producing shuttlecraft, or the fact that it somehow has storage space for them all, or the fact that the doors appear to be the wrong size for some of the ships that enter and exit it? Or any/all of the above?
     
  20. F. King Daniel

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    From birthday girl Diane Duane's Spock's World.
    Ayel in Star Trek 2009:

    "Prod Nero, seven Federation ships are on their way."

    Turn on the directors commentary and it's immediately followed with, "What's a Prod?"

    The scene was hacked together from a deleted Klingon attack scene, half original and spoken in Romulan and the rest redubbed with English. Nero's damaged ear was CGI'd on.
    Background Vulcan in Lower Decks.
    Kind of a catch all for endless theories and even books/papers on the subject.
    Both from Lets Trek: The Budget Guide to the Federation.
    No, that's it. Who designs a bar without toilets nearby? I imagine some site-to-site transports were arranged.
    Some fan-published cargo shuttle blueprints make this explicit.
    All of the above. It almost never looks the same twice, it fits anything needed, spawns infinite shuttles and then near the end we learn Neelix's ship was somehow inside all along.
     
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