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The Spectre..Adult Swim?

Having just watched the SPECTRE short, which is included with the JLA/CRISIS ON TWO EARTHS DVD, I think they did a great job with Spectre. I liked that he actually KILLED, and think this would be a 'hip' show to have on something like ADULT SWIM, if that is even on anymore. What do you think?

Rob
 
Adult Swim isn't very friendly to non-comedy shows just look at what they do to their anime. How violent is it? Are we talking JLU levels or Spawn levels? If it is more like JLU then it could be aired in a similar slot to what JLU was.
 
Adult Swim isn't very friendly to non-comedy shows just look at what they do to their anime. How violent is it? Are we talking JLU levels or Spawn levels? If it is more like JLU then it could be aired in a similar slot to what JLU was.

No...SPECTRE was very violent, in fact, I was shocked. I don't want to give up any spoilers, but he kills four people in very cold blood. And it has a very serious tone through-out...but I liked it.

Rob
 
One of the most notable versions of the Spectre, and the one that seems to be a huge influence on the short, came from the time when Dirty Harry and Death Wish were most popular. If I am not mistaken, this may well have been the first animated incarnation of the Spectre in 70 years of his existence.

The Spectre is best for shorts like that. DC takes pains to somehow disable him at the start of every major event, owing to his unlimited power. AS weekends would be ideal, unless they bring out yet another brilliant piece about a small idiot surrounded by a world of large idiots with ya know, no animation at all?

The Big Two both have such an incredibly large stable of characters who have never touched the screen, its insane.
 
The Phantom Stranger and Spectre are both 'limited' in use due to their powers...but the 70s comic book, drawn by aparo, did manage to put Spectre into some errie storylines. This was before he became the 'fall back position' in every DC event..

The spectre, as seen in this short, may not be as powerful as his later self, which is fine with me if they can tell stories like this one...maybe not every week, but once a month..I found it appealing with the film/noir they were striving for as well...kind of like bringing a 40s hero into now..

And wasn't he created by one of the SUPERMAN creators? I wonder if they own HIS rights or not?

rob
 
No...The Spectre is one of those obscure DC heroes. Very poweful, uber powerful. He is the "ghost of vengence", I think thats how he puts it...very creepy hero that, over time, is DC's 'big gun' when things are out of hand and they need a quick fix.

Rob
 
The Phantom Stranger and Spectre are both 'limited' in use due to their powers...but the 70s comic book, drawn by aparo, did manage to put Spectre into some errie storylines. This was before he became the 'fall back position' in every DC event..

The spectre, as seen in this short, may not be as powerful as his later self, which is fine with me if they can tell stories like this one...maybe not every week, but once a month..I found it appealing with the film/noir they were striving for as well...kind of like bringing a 40s hero into now..

And wasn't he created by one of the SUPERMAN creators? I wonder if they own HIS rights or not?

rob

He and Doctor Occult are Jerry Siegel's. Doctor Occult was drawn much like early CK. But no one is making billions off of them, so I doubt the families are seeking anything. I would say to DC/WB - while contracts like the ones S&S signed were and are standard fare, you did go out of your way to treat them shabbily for years to come. Make the families an insane offer that hurts for a year or two but ends this. They are trying to avenge a wrong and get some compensation for an all-time fiction and marketing icon, but as long as their attorneys are whispering in their ears, 'we'll farm out the rights' threats will recur. Make it 1.2 or 12 Billion, to match up with the 1200 S&S took and felt they were taken by. But make the offer huge enough that pride and the courts are put aside. I've heard that they refused, but amp it up until they don't.

Back to The Spectre--in any form he is essentially an avenging angel, so his limits are what the writers want of him in this or that story.

When they reprinted the Aparo stories some years back, one of the eeriest was a side story about a family with a young son who would scare people by turning into a demon. That was all he did--scare them with the sudden transformation. For this he was lobotomized and then sat out on their front lawn with a vacant stare. The family was proud of making him conform--and that was how it ended. The narrator-- Lucien or Cain, I'm not sure which - ended with a warning that this was what happens to nonconformists. And it seemed to be on the conformists' side!

After that, seeing criminals made into kindling (literally) just didn't seem so bad.
 
The Phantom Stranger and Spectre are both 'limited' in use due to their powers...but the 70s comic book, drawn by aparo, did manage to put Spectre into some errie storylines. This was before he became the 'fall back position' in every DC event..

The spectre, as seen in this short, may not be as powerful as his later self, which is fine with me if they can tell stories like this one...maybe not every week, but once a month..I found it appealing with the film/noir they were striving for as well...kind of like bringing a 40s hero into now..

And wasn't he created by one of the SUPERMAN creators? I wonder if they own HIS rights or not?

rob

He and Doctor Occult are Jerry Siegel's. Doctor Occult was drawn much like early CK. But no one is making billions off of them, so I doubt the families are seeking anything. I would say to DC/WB - while contracts like the ones S&S signed were and are standard fare, you did go out of your way to treat them shabbily for years to come. Make the families an insane offer that hurts for a year or two but ends this. They are trying to avenge a wrong and get some compensation for an all-time fiction and marketing icon, but as long as their attorneys are whispering in their ears, 'we'll farm out the rights' threats will recur. Make it 1.2 or 12 Billion, to match up with the 1200 S&S took and felt they were taken by. But make the offer huge enough that pride and the courts are put aside. I've heard that they refused, but amp it up until they don't.

Back to The Spectre--in any form he is essentially an avenging angel, so his limits are what the writers want of him in this or that story.

When they reprinted the Aparo stories some years back, one of the eeriest was a side story about a family with a young son who would scare people by turning into a demon. That was all he did--scare them with the sudden transformation. For this he was lobotomized and then sat out on their front lawn with a vacant stare. The family was proud of making him conform--and that was how it ended. The narrator-- Lucien or Cain, I'm not sure which - ended with a warning that this was what happens to nonconformists. And it seemed to be on the conformists' side!

After that, seeing criminals made into kindling (literally) just didn't seem so bad.

i remember that one!!! I wish DC would bring back Jim Corrigan as the spectre....maybe they have, i don't know, but i didn't care for Hal Jordan or whoever the sisko wannabe version is...

rob
 
The Phantom Stranger and Spectre are both 'limited' in use due to their powers...but the 70s comic book, drawn by aparo, did manage to put Spectre into some errie storylines. This was before he became the 'fall back position' in every DC event..

The spectre, as seen in this short, may not be as powerful as his later self, which is fine with me if they can tell stories like this one...maybe not every week, but once a month..I found it appealing with the film/noir they were striving for as well...kind of like bringing a 40s hero into now..

And wasn't he created by one of the SUPERMAN creators? I wonder if they own HIS rights or not?

rob

He and Doctor Occult are Jerry Siegel's. Doctor Occult was drawn much like early CK. But no one is making billions off of them, so I doubt the families are seeking anything. I would say to DC/WB - while contracts like the ones S&S signed were and are standard fare, you did go out of your way to treat them shabbily for years to come. Make the families an insane offer that hurts for a year or two but ends this. They are trying to avenge a wrong and get some compensation for an all-time fiction and marketing icon, but as long as their attorneys are whispering in their ears, 'we'll farm out the rights' threats will recur. Make it 1.2 or 12 Billion, to match up with the 1200 S&S took and felt they were taken by. But make the offer huge enough that pride and the courts are put aside. I've heard that they refused, but amp it up until they don't.

Back to The Spectre--in any form he is essentially an avenging angel, so his limits are what the writers want of him in this or that story.

When they reprinted the Aparo stories some years back, one of the eeriest was a side story about a family with a young son who would scare people by turning into a demon. That was all he did--scare them with the sudden transformation. For this he was lobotomized and then sat out on their front lawn with a vacant stare. The family was proud of making him conform--and that was how it ended. The narrator-- Lucien or Cain, I'm not sure which - ended with a warning that this was what happens to nonconformists. And it seemed to be on the conformists' side!

After that, seeing criminals made into kindling (literally) just didn't seem so bad.

i remember that one!!! I wish DC would bring back Jim Corrigan as the spectre....maybe they have, i don't know, but i didn't care for Hal Jordan or whoever the sisko wannabe version is...

rob

I like Crispus Allen. His is a more modern torment than Corrigan's. Also, I like feeling that while the Spectre's mission is eternal, Corrigan has earned his rest.
 
He and Doctor Occult are Jerry Siegel's. Doctor Occult was drawn much like early CK. But no one is making billions off of them, so I doubt the families are seeking anything. I would say to DC/WB - while contracts like the ones S&S signed were and are standard fare, you did go out of your way to treat them shabbily for years to come. Make the families an insane offer that hurts for a year or two but ends this. They are trying to avenge a wrong and get some compensation for an all-time fiction and marketing icon, but as long as their attorneys are whispering in their ears, 'we'll farm out the rights' threats will recur. Make it 1.2 or 12 Billion, to match up with the 1200 S&S took and felt they were taken by. But make the offer huge enough that pride and the courts are put aside. I've heard that they refused, but amp it up until they don't.

Back to The Spectre--in any form he is essentially an avenging angel, so his limits are what the writers want of him in this or that story.

When they reprinted the Aparo stories some years back, one of the eeriest was a side story about a family with a young son who would scare people by turning into a demon. That was all he did--scare them with the sudden transformation. For this he was lobotomized and then sat out on their front lawn with a vacant stare. The family was proud of making him conform--and that was how it ended. The narrator-- Lucien or Cain, I'm not sure which - ended with a warning that this was what happens to nonconformists. And it seemed to be on the conformists' side!

After that, seeing criminals made into kindling (literally) just didn't seem so bad.

i remember that one!!! I wish DC would bring back Jim Corrigan as the spectre....maybe they have, i don't know, but i didn't care for Hal Jordan or whoever the sisko wannabe version is...

rob

I like Crispus Allen. His is a more modern torment than Corrigan's. Also, I like feeling that while the Spectre's mission is eternal, Corrigan has earned his rest.

Not me...I like the Jim Corrigan character more. I find Crispus a bit PC in tone, and to 'down to earth'. I'm glad Bruce Timm went with Corrigan, and hope its Corrigan in the upcoming BATMAN/BRAVE BOLD episode(which will also have Phantom Stranger)...

Rob
 
His media appearances will doubtless be Corrigan. Allen's origin is too bound up in the other Jim Corrigan, his murderer whose connection if any with the first Spectre has never (to my knowledge) been explained.
 
John Ostrander and Tom Mondrake's Spectre series in the 90s was fantastic, and showed that the character could work well in his own extended series, if the writer has the talent to do so.

I've got to see this animation!
 
John Ostrander and Tom Mondrake's Spectre series in the 90s was fantastic, and showed that the character could work well in his own extended series, if the writer has the talent to do so.

I've got to see this animation!


THE SPECTRE is one of my all-time favorite characters, and, yes, the Ostrander/Mandrake series is the best he's ever been handled.

(Although those vicious old Michael Fleischer stories have a certain visceral appeal . . . .)
 
John Ostrander and Tom Mondrake's Spectre series in the 90s was fantastic, and showed that the character could work well in his own extended series, if the writer has the talent to do so.

I've got to see this animation!


THE SPECTRE is one of my all-time favorite characters, and, yes, the Ostrander/Mandrake series is the best he's ever been handled.

(Although those vicious old Michael Fleischer stories have a certain visceral appeal . . . .)

Greg, did you like the Spectre short?? I thought it was well done and would like to see more..

Rob
 
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