The Romulus Question?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by dodge, Aug 5, 2018.

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What's the deal with Romulus?

  1. It's blown up!

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  2. It was blown up, but got better due to timey-wimeyness.

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  3. Conquered by Klingons

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  4. Conquered Klingons

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  5. Joined the Federation under the guidance of Picard's second, better, clone.

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  6. Other (elaborate in comments)

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  1. dodge

    dodge Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Since the new Picard show is likely set in what is roughly the time of the future bits of All Good Things, and well after the stuff from ST09, what do you think the fate of Romulus is in the Prime Timeline?

    Was it conquered by Klingons as in All Good Things, blown up as depicted in ST09, or was there some as yet unwritten event that saved it from destruction?
     
  2. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    They're fine.


    Seriously, we live in a time where the new Terminator movie is ignoring the last 3 instalments in the franchise. If having a healthy Romulus suits their story, they'll change it as easily as they gave Spock a sister.
     
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  3. thribs

    thribs Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Like STO, the planet will be destroyed and the survivors have moved to New Romulus.
    That way it’ll keep the JJVerse movies canon.
     
  4. Infern0

    Infern0 Captain Captain

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    Blown up.

    No reason to change that especially when JJ went to lengths to keep the prime timeline alive in his canon. Give the JJverse the same respect.
     
  5. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

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    I wouldn't say he "went to lengths to keep the Prime Timeline alive." It was in fact his intent to destroy the Prime Universe, CBS overruled him.
     
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  6. Enterprise is Great

    Enterprise is Great Vice Admiral Admiral

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    It's deader than dead.
     
  7. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Change is good. Because everything always comes back to Kirk, the Enterprise and Klingons anyway, but the farther we swim before the market forces tell us to turn back, the more fun we have.

    Romulus is dead. Remus lives, thanks to Spock. Long live Remus!

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  8. johnnybear

    johnnybear Commodore Commodore

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    Yeah if we ignore Romulus being destroyed, we have to ignore the last appearance ever of the original Spock! (I'm not counting that cameo in Into Darkness) That or he was yet another version of the character from another alternate reality! A bit like DSC! :guffaw:
    JB
     
  9. grendelsbayne

    grendelsbayne Commodore Commodore

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    Remus is in the Romulan system. If the one is dead, so is the other. (Or, if the supernova stopped exactly at the right spot between the two planets, then the romulan star is still dead anyway, so Remus is no longer a viable world for normal habitation.
     
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  10. dodge

    dodge Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Remans don't mind the dark, as this quote from Nemesis proves:

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  11. Timo

    Timo Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Spock had "minutes" to do something with his red matter. And we saw the wave hit Romulus at essentially 100 mph, unless it was shot in serious slow motion. So depending on how much the two orbits really differ, Remus might yet live.

    What was left of the star after Spock was done... depends. And Remans seem to live underground anyway, dependent on artificial life support on a world that offers them nothing.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  12. BillJ

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    Romulus and Remus are shown to be very close together. You think the FTL supernova somehow stopped in between the two?

    The Abrams movies would still be canon.
     
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  13. Timo

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    The question of the relationship between Romulus and Remus is an interesting one. Data's show-and-tell graphic in Nemesis indicates the two planets go around the star on their own separate orbits, one noticeably smaller than the other at the no doubt twisted scale of that graphic. Yet visuals show the planets basically touching each other in the opening scene. And then farther apart when Picard arrives.

    How do these supposed twin planets interact? One might argue the Romulans sought a pair of worlds maximally similar to their ancestral home: Vulcan supposedly has no moon, but does sometimes have accompanying spherical heavenly bodies, including a very large one that makes an appearance in both ST:TMP and "Yesteryear". The companions are absent in most of our views of Vulcan or its sky, though. A planet on a separate orbit, speeding past Vulcan every now and then, would very well match this setup, allowing the giant sphere to loom on the same spot on the sky above Shi'Kahr day and the following night in "Yesteryear" and be gone the next day. Plus we'd briefly get a very volcanic Vulcan even though the world normally is so dead on the inside that Nero can drill a hole a long ways towards its center.

    If Remus and Romulus only occasionally meet (thus facilitating yet another tedious Spartacus revolt), we'd get a scenario where the survival of one is not tied to that of the other. "Minutes" and elliptical orbits combined with the slow wave of destruction would cater for the needs of future drama. If need be.

    And starless, rogue planets are very much a Trek thing, even making it to an episode title...

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  14. Tim Thomason

    Tim Thomason Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Remus might be dead, but I hope Romii is fine.
     
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  15. Timo

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    The big issue here is that Spock apparently set out to save both Romulus and the galaxy, as if one wouldn't exclude the other. He failed with Romulus, but we don't have much reason to think he failed with the galaxy (he did start a "return trip", which would make zero sense when Spock is the sole and exclusive savior of the galaxy).

    It's just that we don't really know what red matter does. Spock says he wants to "create a black hole" to "absorb the exploding star" by shooting the red matter "into the supernova". But what we see is something different altogether: Spock ejects the vial of red matter, which then turns a portion of the expanding wavefront of menacing rubble into pure fire, in a ring that then starts to spread across that wavefront, at the very least punching a massive hole in it and possibly removing it of existence altogether.

    And what we hear happens is different still: a hole through time is created. Perfect for putting Humpty Dumpty back together again?

    So we are left completely in the dark about what exactly Spock hoped to achieve within the "little time" he had; whether he did achieve that; and what it means for Remus, which would be on his to-do list of things to be saved with red matter, no matter how implicitly.

    Of course, there's an even darker option open. Spock never says he intended to save Romulus. He just considers it "unthinkable" that the planet blows, but OTOH this happens while he is still en route, and it seems odd that he would calculate wrong. Perhaps he always intended to save the galaxy by sacrificing the Romulan star system? In that case, Remus would not be the reason why he makes the effort for which he has the "little time". And its salvation would be an unlikely collateral outcome.

    Timo Saloniemi
     
  16. Tenacity

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    I picked "It was blown up, but got better due to timey-wimeyness."

    I think the red matter reversed (temporally) the effects of the supernova and the expanding shockwave. Basically Romulas would be unharmed once the red matter did it's work.

    Spock said after Romulas was destroyed that there wasn't any/much time left. But again Romulas was already destroyed by the time of that statement.

    If all the red matter did was collapse the supernova, the expanding shockwave would have continued. And if the red matter generated collapse star was powerfull enought to pull back or stop the shockwave, what effect would that have on the surrounding star systems of thye Romulan Empire for lightyears around?

    The red matter was a giant reset button.

    Romulas is intact and safe.
     
  17. Ralphis

    Ralphis Commander Red Shirt

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    They've settled on a new planet called 'Rhea'.
     
  18. johnnybear

    johnnybear Commodore Commodore

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    Let's not forget the destruction of Vulcan in the other universe as well as Romulus in ours!
    JB
     
  19. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

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    Assuming a sphere of destruction emanating outward from Hobus at multiwarp speeds (as described in the novel The Needs of the Many) and using the location of Hobus from the Star Trek: Stellar Cartography book, here's the approximate damage:
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  20. valkyrie013

    valkyrie013 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    It blew up.. Maybe the new series will deal with Admiral/Ambasador Picard on Nu Romulas.. Maybe He takes up the Reunification after Spock pulls his Back to the Future Ride, and after the big blow, there more agreeable to it.