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The Power of the Daleks Vs The Evil of the Daleks

Best Troughton Dalek Story?

  • The Power of the Daleks

    Votes: 11 57.9%
  • The Evil of the Daleks

    Votes: 5 26.3%
  • Both are equally good / I can't decide

    Votes: 3 15.8%

  • Total voters
    19

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Anyone have a preferred favourite? I've always been a fan of Power over Evil. The story seems more organised, the Daleks are more cunning than they've ever been and it's an all round great story for Troughton to kick his tennure off with.

Not saying that Evil is a bad story; it's one of the most well-respected Dalek stories ever made. I just feel it lags horribly during the 1866 episodes, not to mention the whole Dalek plan is absurd (that everything that makes up the Human factor is completely opposite that of the Dalek factor??).

Been keen to hear your thoughts. Just sad that 12 of the 13 episodes that these stories comprise of are currently missing. :(
 
Power of the Daleks by a mile. I love the cunningness of the Daleks (something we haven't seen much of since the introduction of Davros, unfortunately) and I absolutely love how the first Dalek played the dumb servant while The Doctor's warnings fall on deaf ears (the whole scenario is played ten times better here than in "Victory of the Daleks"). It's just a damn shame that, with the exception of a few clips (and of course the audio), this serials is completely lost. Someday, I hope... *crosses fingers*
 
Maybe they could sell subscriptions to get those two animated. You pay x amount of your currency of choice and you get the DVD when it comes out.

As to the question of which is better, I don't know enough about them to judge. I have not heard the audios and missed them when they were broadcast. Being a toddler at the time in the US. :)
 
I voted for Evil of the Daleks, I like power, but there is just something majestic about the first ever showing of the Dalek Emperor, and their futuristic City on Skaro..considering we saw what their fledgling underground city was like in the first Doctor's visit to that world.. to see how they progressed and came along since was truly intriguing to say the least. They should make a completely animated series out of those two stories, each with top notch animation and likeness to the respective actors.

for those unfamiliar with the serials, I have placed a synopsis below, but shrouded in spoilers so as not to offend those who have yet to see the episodes, such as they are..

Power of the Daleks:

Synopsis
Ben and Polly have just watched the First Doctor collapse to the floor of the TARDIS and have witnessed him change from one person to another. Polly is convinced that the man is the Doctor, but Ben believes the man is an impostor. The TARDIS brings the newly regenerated Doctor, Ben and Polly to the planet Vulcan where, on arrival, the Doctor witnesses the murder of the examiner, a man sent from Earth to check on the human colony located on the planet. After checking the body the Doctor discovers a badge that gives him access to all the areas of the human colony, no questions asked.
A security team led by Bragen escorts the Doctor, Ben and Polly back to the colony. The examiner was summoned by Quinn, deputy governor to investigate a group of rebels. The governor regards the problem with the rebels as insignificant.
Meanwhile, Lesterson, the colony’s scientist, has discovered a crashed Dalek space capsule. The Doctor goes to investigate the capsule and after having a quick look inside he says that’s enough for one night and goes off to bed.
Later that night, Ben and Polly see the Doctor heading towards Lesterson’s laboratory and go inside the Dalek capsule. They follow, and he opens an inner compartment to find two Daleks inside. He deduces that the third Dalek is missing from the capsule. Polly, who, along with Ben, had joined the Doctor in the capsule, spots a small mutant crawling across the floor which disappears into a small opening. Polly screams.
The Doctor, Ben and Polly leave the capsule to find Lesterson, who immediately starts questioning them on why they are in his lab. The Doctor says that his badge (the examiner’s badge) says that he can go anywhere in the colony. The Doctor questions Lesterson on where he has put the third Dalek. He is afraid that Lesterson might be trying to reactivate it.
Once the Doctor, Ben and Polly have left, Lesterson opens a secret compartment where he has hidden the third Dalek. He gets his helpers Resno and Janley to help try and reactivate the Dalek. He is successful, but in the process the Dalek shoots Resno dead. Janley assures Lesterson that Resno will be fine, although she knows he is dead. At that point Lesterson removes the gun stick from the Dalek.
Meanwhile, Quinn has been accused of sabotaging the communication console and summoning the examiner. Quinn is put on trial and the governor gives Bragen Quinn’s old job. The Doctor, Ben and Polly attend Quinn’s trial, during which Lesterson arrives with the reactivated Dalek, who claims to be the colony’s servant. The Dalek recognises the Doctor and from that point on Ben believes he really is the Doctor.
Lesterson also reactivates the other two Daleks and removes the gun sticks from them. They also claim to be the colony’s servants.
The Doctor notices that there are more than three Daleks in the colony and warns that they are breeding. When told that machines can't breed the Doctor answers that Daleks are not machines.
The Doctor, Polly and Ben are imprisoned. The Doctor is seen rolling pieces of fruit along the floor causing Polly to state that this is the sort of behaviour that makes them wonder if he really is the Doctor. It turns out that the Doctor is checking if the fruit contains a bugging device. They manage to escape when the doctor generates the correct tone to open the prison cell by making a partly filled wine glass chime.
One night Lesterson goes inside the Dalek capsule and discovers that Daleks are being manufactured there. He sees an inert mutant being placed on a stand then suddenly coming to life. It is then lifted off the stand by a Dalek and placed into a Dalek base and the top fitted to the base.
After a long fight between the humans and the Daleks, during which Governor Hensell is killed by Bragen, The Doctor destroys the Daleks by turning their own power source against them. It turns out that Bragen sabotaged the communication console and killed the real examiner. Quinn has the charges against him dropped and Bragen is shot by Valmar after attempting to kill Quinn. Quinn is made governor and the Doctor, Ben and Polly return to the TARDIS. An inert Dalek stands next to the TARDIS. Ben kicks it and exclaims that they won't be having any trouble with Daleks from now on. The TARDIS then sets off on another adventure. As the TARDIS dematerialises the eyestalk of a nearby Dalek corpse rises upwards...

The Dalek pod seen here is later revealed to have been sent to this location by the Eighth Doctor after ejecting it from a Thal ship in War of the Daleks

Evil of the Daleks:

1966 London, the Second Doctor and Jamie watch helplessly as the TARDIS is loaded onto a lorry and driven away from Gatwick Airport. The trail leads them to an antique shop run by Edward Waterfield, who sells Victorian-style antiques that curiously seem as though they were still new. Waterfield is being coerced by the Daleks, who appear in a secret room of his shop through a time machine, and exterminate his mutinous employee Kennedy. Investigating the store, the Doctor and Jamie succumb to a booby trap that gasses them, and are dragged into the time machine by Waterfield.
They wake up to find that they have been transported to 1866, and are in the house of Theodore Maxtible, Waterfield's partner. The two had been trying to invent a time machine using mirrors and static electricity, when the Daleks emerged from their time cabinet. The Daleks then took Waterfield's daughter Victoria hostage and forced Waterfield to travel a century forward in time to lure the Doctor into a trap by stealing the TARDIS. Waterfield is obviously fearful for his daughter's safety and his own, but Maxtible seems to be going along with the Daleks for his own reasons.
The Daleks threaten to destroy the TARDIS unless the Doctor helps them by conducting an experiment to isolate the "Human Factor", the unique qualities of human beings that have allowed them to consistently resist and defeat the Daleks. Once the Doctor has isolated the Human Factor, he will then implant it into three Daleks, which will then become the precursors of a race of "super" Daleks, with the best qualities of humans and Daleks. To that end, the Daleks want the Doctor to test Jamie by sending him to rescue Victoria, who is being kept in the house. The Doctor is strangely co-operative with the Daleks, manipulating Jamie into the rescue mission but not telling him of the nature of the test.
Jamie manages to rescue Victoria, but she is taken prisoner again and transported through the time cabinet. The Doctor, observing how Jamie accomplished the rescue, distils the Human Factor, but continues to harbour suspicions that there is more to the experiment than just this. Once the Human Factor is implanted in the three Daleks, they become completely human in personality and seem almost child-like, although the Doctor says their mentalities will mature quickly. This was the Doctor's intent all along that the human factor would lead to "human" Daleks that would be friendly to humanity. He christens the three Alpha, Beta and Omega, but they soon return through the time cabinet to Skaro, the Daleks' home planet.
Meanwhile, Waterfield has discovered that Maxtible has betrayed them all to the Daleks, hoping that he will be able to learn the alchemical secret of transmuting base metals into gold. However, Maxtible, who has travelled to Skaro through the mirror cabinet, is discovering just how ruthless the Daleks are and how empty their promises can be; he is tortured for his failure to bring the Doctor to them. Jamie, Waterfield and the Doctor are locked out of the time cabinet, but manage to use the Daleks' own short-range time machine to make the journey to Skaro before a Dalek bomb destroys Maxtible's house.
The trio find their way into the Dalek city and are brought before the imposing Dalek Emperor, who reveals the true reason behind the experiments and the capture of the TARDIS. By isolating the human factor, the Doctor has succeeded in isolating the "Dalek Factor" as well. The Daleks will use the "Dalek Factor" — the qualities that make the Daleks mindless killing machines — to reconvert the "human" Daleks. In addition, the Emperor wants the Doctor to use the TARDIS to spread the Dalek Factor throughout human history, turning all humanity into Daleks. The Doctor knows that the Emperor realises that he would die before complying with this order, and so is concerned about why the Emperor seems so confident.
Maxtible is tricked into walking through an archway that infuses him with the Dalek Factor, mentally turning him into a Dalek. He hypnotises the Doctor and lures him through the arch as well, apparently converting him. However, the Doctor is feigning his conversion, and secretly plants a device on the arch while the Daleks hunt for the three "human" Daleks. As one still remains to be found, the Doctor suggests that all the Daleks be put through the conversion arch so that the "human" Dalek will once again be infused with the Dalek Factor.
As the first batch of Daleks go through the arch, the Doctor frees the others. The arch did not work on the Doctor because it was calibrated for humans, and he is not one. The Doctor has also substituted the Dalek Factor for the Human one on the arch so the Daleks that go through will become "human" and rebel against the Emperor. The Emperor calls out his Black Daleks as the rebellion spreads and the city falls into chaos. Waterfield throws himself in front of a Black Dalek blast meant for the Doctor. The Doctor promises that Victoria will be taken care of, and Waterfield dies content. The Emperor is attacked and exterminated by the "human" Daleks. While the Doctor and his companions escape, Maxtible rushes back into the exploding city, screaming of the everlasting glory of the Dalek race.
The Doctor tells Jamie that they will be taking Victoria along on their travels. Jamie, Victoria and the Doctor watch the Dalek city in flames from the top of a hill as the civil war continues. The Doctor pronounces this as the end of the Daleks — the final end.

For the dating of this serial, see the Chronology. The first two parts of Evil take place contemporaneously with Part Four of the First Doctor serial The War Machines; coincidentally, the First Doctor said that he had the same feeling he had when Daleks were around at the start of that story.
Excluding Earth, the Doctor's journey to Skaro (via time cabinet) is one of the first times that the Doctor returns to an alien planet visited in a previous story 1 (although scenes on Skaro were featured in The Space Museum and The Chase). It was not until The Monster of Peladon that the TARDIS itself would revisit a world, other than the earth, which it had previously landed on.
Episode seven of this serial is the first time that the Doctor admits to being other than human.
Mirrors would later be used again to build a time machine in the 2008 episode "Turn Left".

taken from wikipedia
 
Did anyone see the results for Doctor Who Magazine's 200th story survey? Both stories did well, but the interesting thing is that they did a breakdown by age, and Power did astonishingly well among 10 year-olds (who can, obviously, only have 'seen' it on audio). I think it made their top 10...
 
I just listened to both again recently (as in this past weekend for Evil) and I'm not sure what it is, but Power is a much better story. I think Evil is just a very thin plot to begin with, and Maxtable is nearly as bad as Professor Zaroff. Evil might have worked much better as a 4-episode serial. Power, on the other hand, was a very solidly constructed story, and felt like it had much less padding than Evil (even taking the extra episode into account). Ben and Polly were used very well, and the story was simply more compelling. The Daleks also benefitted from manipulating the characters instead of simply intimidating them.
 
I've only been able to read both stories in their novel form but I thought The Evil Of The Daleks was an epic story it's a shame that it no longer exists. I wasn't as impressed by Power Of The Daleks by comparison.
 
Seen both animations, and I must say, Power of the Daleks sustains itself better in 6 episodes than Evil does in 7. I like Evil a lot but some of it is meandering, and even a character or two just vanish with little explanation (and I don't like Kernels final fate is especially unfitting) whereas Power has the continual struggle of the rebels and the establishment and the rich characters wherein. Not to mention, the regeneration aspect still being very fascinating.

Power: 5/5
Evil: 4/5
 
Seen both animations, and I must say, Power of the Daleks sustains itself better in 6 episodes than Evil does in 7. I like Evil a lot but some of it is meandering, and even a character or two just vanish with little explanation (and I don't like Kernels final fate is especially unfitting) whereas Power has the continual struggle of the rebels and the establishment and the rich characters wherein. Not to mention, the regeneration aspect still being very fascinating.

Power: 5/5
Evil: 4/5

You'll be sent to Trenzalore for resurrecting an 11 year old thread.

But I completely agree with you, Power is the superior of the two - it's a shame so much of Troughtons era is missing he's one of the stronger Doctors.
 
"Power" by some distance, though both Troughton's Dalek stories were refreshing after Hartnell's era got soft on them after the first couple of stories.

"Evil" does meander, and gets too cutesie at times with its attempts to make a new race of Daleks via "The Dalek Factor" and in a way that cheaply gets around having to build more casings/props. Well, not quite as the Daleks would be removed from the show so Terry Nation could make his own Dalek series in America for some reason... but by 1972 they're return anyway.
 
It's Evil for me. Power starts strong but the writing is confused regarding the colonists, Troughton is not yet 'into' the role as he would be by the end of Season 4 and (mostly) Evil is just a lot stranger.
 
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