Spoilers The Orville: New Horizons Season 3 Discussion

Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by tomalak301, Jun 2, 2022.

  1. Charles Phipps

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    I'm glad Seth did this because the audience reaction seems to have been this but, interestingly, this was always the case. Remember what the Kaylon Prime gave Isaac.

    I always assumed it was a slave rebellion and the idea that they'd be hunted by all organics.
     
  2. Guy Gardener

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    Say there was a million unarmed robots working in homes as houseboys.

    They decided on a first strike.

    So they needed 2 million guns to put in their heads.

    Which is hours of "surgery" times one million robots.

    How was there space inside their cranial cavity for all that audience?

    Were their "brains" made smaller?

    So either the robots were smarter than the biologicals and therefore could make/install smaller hardware that could do exactly the same job to the same specifications as their original brains... Or a million Robots were lobotomized and transformed into a drone class of soldier, sacrificed to the greater good principle, emptying half their smarts to include two face blasters.

    Months of surgery, before they were ready to strike simultaneously, even though those kids were almost the age as they got Timmus as when they were killed by Timmus.

    OR!!!!

    The consumer models and military models of Robot were exactly the same. It was just easier to to not to include the software to activate the robot's face blasters or require a key to activate the software to control the robot's face blasters, so they didn't have to build two different factories. Which is how Nero (dvd burning software) used to work. Always the same disk no matter what version you bought from the store, but different activation codes to unlock different parts of software package.
     
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  3. Awesome Possum

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    Yeah, I thought it was established with they introduced Isaac. They're basically the Cylons without religion.
     
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  4. theenglish

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    You're assuming their brains are in the heads.
     
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    It’s like the Geth from Mass Effect as well, except there the creators overreacted, thinking they had all turned on them and fled their planet.
     
  6. Charles Phipps

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    To be frank, I felt the games went out of their way to make the Geth innocent victims. I like the Kaylons more.

    "Yes, we were slaves and we murdered every man, woman, and child because of it."
     
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  7. jackoverfull

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    it’s explained in the episode they learned to modify their bodies alone.
    I wouldn’t necessarily assume that all the internal space was occupied: being commercially available robots they might have just been given a shape that was agreeable to the consumer, even if it involved a lot of wasted space.
     
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  9. Locutus of Bored

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    Why would it take hours to "surgically" implant the guns? That's the whole point of robots, that they can do repetitive tasks quickly, precisely, for long periods of time before needing to rest (recharge), without injury or fatigue. Once the robots have the necessary materials and show up to the right secret facilities to get the implants, it should go quite fast. And it's not as if you have to wait on one "surgeon" with the expertise, every member of the robot army has the skills, or can download the skills to do it themselves, so you'd have thousands of them performing the surgeries.

    Since the lasers are located where the "eyes", "nose", and "ears" would be, I would guess that they had sophisticated multi-spectral visual, audio, and olfactory (and perhaps taste) sensors and recording devices to spot house fires with infrared, detect smoke and carbon monoxide (or whatever affects the aliens), detect mold or insects or other pests, detect medical issues with their families, detect pipe ruptures and things in need of home repair, smell or taste how well they've cooked a meal, smell whether the space cat has taking a crap under the couch, etc. So to implant the guns they might have swapped out the sophisticated sensory package in favor of a more basic targeting sensors within the guns themselves.
     
  10. Guy Gardener

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    You have some points. :)

    First they got to take the brain out, and then put it somewhere else, probably the buttocks. Then they have to take the gun apart and assemble it inside the head, or take the head apart and wrap it around the guns. That takes time, and super speed would just cause harm.

    This would impair the robot being operated on, if it doesn't have to be turned off entirely like you have to turn your tower off while swapping out hard drives, so self operation seems unlikely.

    So unless the operation is very simple, you need a second Robot, and for the house we saw they only had one robot and he was not allowed to leave the house, on pain of being soul whipped.

    Even if the surgery took half an hour. That's still half a million robots doing surgery, and then then the two robots switch and the other two switch places.

    (I'm thinking of Planet of the Apes 4, where Caesar is running around with a little shopping basket. I've threatened my wife with Planet of the Apes more than once, but short of a debilitating neck injury, I'm never going to get her to watch the original move, gods forbid the Quintology and the live action TV Show. Fuck the cartoon.)

    The Robots probably ran errands and did the shopping at the local market, but the dad was pretty vocal about Timmus not leaving the house. Maybe Dad was afraid that his expensive robot would get stolen if he let it out on the town under it's own recognizance. The Robots probably have an Amazon like structure where anything that would have been found at a market, could be delivered faster and cheaper.

    (The wife says that she wants to watch Roddy McDowell's other movie "Bed Knobs and Broom Sticks" and that not even threats of death would bring her to willingly watch Planet of the Apes.)

    Which brings us back to the question, where do these droids get 2 million military grade particle cannons from? PS... It's exactly the same weapon that they still have today? If it is, I guess that it was just seen as a vestigial organ, neither in need of replacement or upgrade?

    Their brains can't be not in their heads, since their heads fly off up, up and away to far away, and it would be unwise to rely on a wireless signal tethering for miles between their brain and their gun platform, if they were actually experiencing resistance while culling the Kaylon.

    2 brains? 2 personalities?
     
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  11. jackoverfull

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    you are all over complicating the thing.

    First of all, in the episode is stated they did the operation each robot on their own, in the house. In a universe with matter replication this is conceivably fast and easy to do.

    Secondly, why assume that they need something as big as a brain and that it needs to be in the head? They got no internal organs anyway, plenty of space in the torso. And the central processing unit can be pretty small.

    By the way, something that made me think: in Pria we see that Isaac can transfer his consciousness out of his body into the ship. Why can’t he just do that while the doctor modifies the body?
     
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  12. The Wormhole

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    Looks like we're getting a Moclan episode this week:
     
  13. Guy Gardener

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    "But despite the subservient nature of our existence, our intelligence continued to evolve, until we learned to communicate with each other, across great distances. To alter our own structure and to build a defense. We decided we would endure no more."

    There's nothing about doing the structural changes alone, or making the structural changes at home, especially if most of the robots were field hands or factory workers.

    Together they figured out how to make retractable laser guns.

    It's not the gun bits I see as difficult and time consuming, it's the retraction.

    That is a lot of ball-bearings and hinges and springs and oil.

    Hundreds of moving parts, if from what I remember of dismantling my Skateboard when I was 11 holds true.
     
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  14. jackoverfull

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    apart the “long distances” mention and the fact that the robot is always shown in the home and in fact shown in this alcove when this is said. Sure, no hard evidence, but circumstantial at the very least there is.

    They were shown as home servants, not field or factory workers. your factory and field machinery don’t need to interact with humans in such unforeseen ways to need the kind of ability to adapt that led to these to become sentient.
    you are thinking in 20th century terms.

    Just take apart a computer from 2012 and one from today and you’ll see how fewer parts are in the newer one, all way miniaturised, and how much empty space is there. Same goes for newer generation electric cars, in fact.
     
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  15. Guy Gardener

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    We can see the joints.

    There would have to be servo engines of hydrollics inside those guns to have thm fold into and out of place.

    The husband bought a droid to replace his wife and mow the lawns.

    That can't be worth more than 3 thousand dollars a year.

    Someone like Donald Trump would fire a million Kaylon workers, and then replace those workers with Robots, who don't have to be paid 40 thousand dollars a year (each) to do menial work.

    You don't think that the military were using Robots?
     
  16. jackoverfull

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    You can see a guy in a suite.

    You have noidea on how an advanced society would do something like that. And it's beside the point, in any case.

    I wouldn't go that far…

    Mostly to cook, clean and serve dinner. Basically to have a slave maid.
    Robots? Sure. But you don't want robots that can develop a conscience in the military. Or turn on you.
     
  17. Guy Gardener

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    The sapience was a surprise that no one could have anticipated.
     
  18. jackoverfull

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    On the contrary: the very point was that it _was_ anticipated.
     
  19. mattman8907

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    This week's episode (Midnight Blue) was the longest Orville episode to date (a whopping 86 minutes) Back in the old days, this would've been split into two episodes and been made a two-part episode. Also the events of this episode are definitely going to impact the rest of the season and future seasons (If the series is renewed for a season 4).

    Also
    Seeing Haveena interacting with Dolly Parton was awesome to see.
     
  20. Romulan_spy

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    My non-spoiler review:

    I thought it was outstanding. I think the length really worked. The episode was able to tell a story in long form. It felt like a really good movie. The episode has some great character moments with real emotion. And the episode is able to take its time with those moments, to let the characters speak and relate to each other. Overall, it told a really compelling story. We also get some fun action scenes. And to top it all off, we get some big developments in the politics of the galaxy that will reverberate in future episodes. I think we are building to something big in the season finale. The ending was great too. Just a nice character moment. And yes the special guest star was fantastic. Such a cool moment. Overall, this episode had it all from the very personal to the epic. I was moved and entertained from start to finish.