The New Humans

[Christopher]

No, I recall him saying "Starfleet officers wouldn't act like that..." GR still acknowledged that not all of humanity was perfect yet, although it was a goal.

Which is basically the opposite of what he said in the TMP novelization -- that Starfleet personnel were the throwbacks, the less evolved humans who weren't so open to subsuming their identity.

 

[Idran]

To be fair, it wasn't just Starfleet he saw that way, it literally was all humanity.

No, I recall him saying "Starfleet officers wouldn't act like that..." GR still acknowledged that not all of humanity was perfect yet, although it was a goal. But conflict in scripts couldn't be among the main cast (all Starfleet people), and Michael Pillar often spoke about trying to get around GR's restrictions.

Oh, huh; I must've misremembered, then. Fair enough!

 

[Deks]

To be fair, it wasn't just Starfleet he saw that way, it literally was all humanity.

No, I recall him saying "Starfleet officers wouldn't act like that..." GR still acknowledged that not all of humanity was perfect yet, although it was a goal. But conflict in scripts couldn't be among the main cast (all Starfleet people), and Michael Pillar often spoke about trying to get around GR's restrictions.

Not 'perfect'... just different.
There's nothing 'perfect' about Humans who do not have conflicts with each other, it simply implies that they transcended the kinds of behaviour that are more or less perceived as 'the norm' today by creating a different environment and might be focusing their attention and energy on 'bigger things'.

I think people really need to let go of the idea of 'perfection' because the word can mean so many different things to so many different people while not even remotely being accurate in the sense of reality.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

To be fair, it wasn't just Starfleet he saw that way, it literally was all humanity.

No, I recall him saying "Starfleet officers wouldn't act like that..." GR still acknowledged that not all of humanity was perfect yet, although it was a goal. But conflict in scripts couldn't be among the main cast (all Starfleet people), and Michael Pillar often spoke about trying to get around GR's restrictions.

I wonder how much of that rule was misinterpreted by the writing staff. In "Chaos on the Bridge," Maurice Hurley made it sound as if he was the one who strictly imposed the "no conflict" rule during his tenure even getting into arguments with Roddenberry about loosening up on it.

I've always wonder — and I haven't seen any memos supporting this theory — that the "no conflict" rule meant no petty soap opera or typical nighttime drama conflicts, like sleeping behind each others backs, jealousness, envy, etc. That the crew, like on the original, would still have conflicts over the decisions that we're being made to resolve a situation.

 

[Idran]

To be fair, it wasn't just Starfleet he saw that way, it literally was all humanity.

No, I recall him saying "Starfleet officers wouldn't act like that..." GR still acknowledged that not all of humanity was perfect yet, although it was a goal. But conflict in scripts couldn't be among the main cast (all Starfleet people), and Michael Pillar often spoke about trying to get around GR's restrictions.

I wonder how much of that rule was misinterpreted by the writing staff. In "Chaos on the Bridge," Maurice Hurley made it sound as if he was the one who strictly imposed the "no conflict" rule during his tenure even getting into arguments with Roddenberry about loosening up on it.

I've always wonder — and I haven't seen any memos supporting this theory — that the "no conflict" rule meant no petty soap opera or typical nighttime drama conflicts, like sleeping behind each others backs, jealousness, envy, etc. That the crew, like on the original, would still have conflicts over the decisions that we're being made to resolve a situation.

I think it was a lot more than that; Frakes has talked about how that general policy really chafed at his acting in "The Icarus Factor", in that they said Riker shouldn't be excessively upset towards his dad regardless of what their past was.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Just remembered Robert Sawyer's "Armada"! There is mention of New Humans in it!

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