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Game The Most Disliked Wedding Episode/Movie

Saving For the World Is Hollow ... . It may not have much "ritual"--it seems like the wedding was itself an exchange of personally written vows--but Deforest Kelley gives a great performance in the episode, exploring the pain and joy of McCoy as done in few episodes. The wedding, subsequently, has lots of meaning. The goodbye with Spock and McCoy is also touching and bittersweet.

TOS, Season 3: "The Paradise Syndrome"
TNG, Season 1: “Haven”
TNG, Season 2: “The Outrageous Okona”
TNG Feature: “Star Trek Nemesis”
VOY, Season 3: “Favorite Son”
 
Saving Haven.

I haven't seen Paradise Syndrome, but the others are on the shortlist of series worst. Haven at least has some redeeming value. It's different and stylized and that fated lovers thing was kinda neat.

TOS, Season 3: "The Paradise Syndrome"
TNG, Season 2: “The Outrageous Okona”
TNG Feature: “Star Trek Nemesis”
VOY, Season 3: “Favorite Son”
 
There's no way this can be after the others:

TOS, Season 3: "The Paradise Syndrome"​

So where to begin? After thirty two ounces of of the finest Scots' Drambuie first...

:beer::beer::beer::barf:

There, I feel better, sorta, so off we go:

TOS has a habit of visiting all these ostensibly relaxing worlds and yet anything but anything deemed "relaxing" happens. Makes for quite a cliche... Far worse, Kirk has a bigger habit of getting busy with someone and then leaving her behind, often without any good reason so either the viewer has to conjure up something, scream at the TV set, or both... or the love interest winds up dead, as is the case in this episode and the writer really went out of her way to find a novel way out...

...as far as Trek love stories go, this is the one episode where the love affair felt sincere through and through, which sets it apart in my book. The sincerity can be felt at all levels - scripting, acting, and actors having some synergy as opposed to either or both coming across wooden (e.g. Scotty and Lt Romaine Salad).

I will say this - the episode is quick to spout exposition regarding the asteroid. Spock nails the urgency of the situation by citing just the right facts. How can Kirk stand there and say "Well we have 30 minutes and what can possibly go wrong so let's stick around for 29 minutes for a cheap thrill."? No wonder McCoy has this look of scowling incredulity on his face - the day he and Spock agree on something, you know something's up. Thankfully Kirk regains some brain cells by retorting to McCoy's concern that telling them about something that will splatter them is pointless since they can't do a damn thing about it? Followed by Spock going into equally lengthy tautology when Kirk could be saying "Because it's about the prime directive that forbids us? (Hey wait, it's TNG that demanded its use to justify letting entire civilizations die. Not TOS, where cultural contamination is to be avoided but if we can do some good and save people, let's still try for that!) Now, let's go look at that incongruous contraption thingy that reeks of somebody else interfering for 26 minutes of good clean fun!" (This episode is really brushing so much under the rug and every so quickly in order to get the amnesia train hitting Kirk, just so he and Miramanee can get to conjunction junction as soon as possible, but you know I'll be getting back to that...)

There's a later piece where Spock plays with some rocks to show a purported sense of scale with the arrival of the asteroid as well. In real life, neither "let's lallygag for 29 minutes" plus "let me explain with pebbles the relative distance involved in deflecting it from a planet" would begin to play out like this but the target audience isn't comprised of 40-somethings doing this thing regularly for a living. Well, probably... even then, nobody knows everything in every field. It doesn't matter, Professor Spock was cool. Just needed a bow tie. Still, had Spock had been this assertive toward Kirk then... well, we'd have no episode since they'd be pew-pewing the asteroid and the planet with the asteroid deflector would just get splattered by the next asteroid. How come there's no outpost nearby when this planet has defenses put in for all sorts of rock concerts yet Enterprise is just lucky enough to be in the right place just this once? Pish, it's a TV show and a fun one too. Especially in Spock teaching the Doctor about the benefits of three dimensional space geometry. (the realism of "two months away", given angle and velocity, available ship power to deflect the asteroid's trajectory, and other factors is rather well handled.)

In fact, there is indeed an edited highlight:
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(just how long did this search party go on trying to comb the area and reminding me of Tim Russ's legendary scene in "Spaceballs"?!)
So there you go, tenth graders - how to pass the geometry test, in less than two minutes. Or less than 30 seconds if you're Al Bundy. But it is rather a great scene.

The sci-fi aspect of an asteroid coming to splatter a planet and how "The Preservers", a species that transplants representatives of other species into new and compatible environments free from constraints can nimbly be defined as "romanticism". (They also tie into the species shown in TNG's "The Chase", in one of the few things that makes "small universe syndrome" interesting...) The Preservers are a genuinely charming concept, yet at the same time it poses two problems... (a) why this group of humans and no others? (b) Evolution being inevitable, even as demonstrated in this episode. Between the time they were taken by the Preservers and 2369-whatever, nobody on this planet cared to make a larger water pitcher after a certain point? (Can innovating really stop and people be satisfied and contented? Is that a subtext the episode is trying to convey?) Or did everybody get scared off of reinventing the pitcher so better ones were never made because the existing one is good enough? In other words, the episode is an example of romanticism, but it's also an exercise in naivety since if ancient humans figured out how to build shelter and fire (and not that Jim Morrison song about lighting his fire as a dumb euphemism for what Kirk did in this episode). Violence, too, since humanity's history has been loaded with that, as Q loved to remind Picard Spock reminded McCoy about. But it's still surprisingly watchable, though having not seen it since after the blu-ray came out.

Which brings up a point regarding stereotyping and (reverse?) racism of the time in which it was made, which was also upended by that stoning scene.

But the racism, along with "simpler times" and everything else... I'm not sure the intent was to be offensive, which would be a big contextual difference...

Also, Kirk introducing irrigation and other techniques -- this can snowball into several other directions as well, regarding ecology and so many other things if uber-pedantry is really desired and even I have limits on conjecturing. Indeed, advanced civilizations that visit primitive ones likely would share techniques in good-natured spirit of helping one another, with no cynicism or other motivations. Learning from each other. Trek has told numerous times that different civilizations don't develop at the same rate and speed and on the same types of technological advances. It's nice to see sharing and learning together with that being nothing more than that. No ulterior motives or eeeeeeeeeeevil or anything. That, I hope, helps compensate in regards to how people often think into things too much... and now, onto my tenth paragraph of about twenty-something in total...

I did like how the communicator worked on the same frequency. Sorta like how cordless phones operate on similar frequencies to wi-fi or how 5G is using similar waves to what happens when you tap in onto the console "0" "2" ":" "0" "0" then "START" and then proceed to watch the little turntable inside the microwave rotate and the tinfoil you forgot to remove from the entree bursts into flame, like an egg in the pan or your brain on drugs.

This is one of two episodes that actually confirms it: Kirk did the horizontal loop-de-loop. Miramanee pretty much tells him outright "I'm carrying your child, I threw up shortly after waking up. Not because of that revelation but because it's just morning sickness." (The other instance revealed is in "Wink of an Eye" but they leave it a bit more suggestive, with people only putting back on their go-go boots and/or brushing hair, in Kirk's cabin, so it all leaves little to the imagination. And it's still more tastefully done than what's allowable today, possibly only because of censorship rules but the most ghastly thing to ever imagine is Trek as soft porn. I'm so glad "Justice" isn't on this list, among others...)

In real life, I'd no idea Sabrina Scharf was a Playboy Bunny. Or that she would run for Senate a few decades later, using anti-pollution concerns as a platform. So don't expect a Miramanee action figure any time soon.

As usual, writer Margaret Armen (who was also the season's script editor after DC Fontana left) just nails the McCoy/Spock bickering. Even allowing Spock to fail in this episode, thus making McCoy's point of view a bit more poignant. Her stories are intriguing, though I have noticed they're not universally loved. (Though I am often fond of her mix of numerous plot tropes and ideas.) Even those who do not love her entire stories must surely like the duo's bickering. After all, she came up with the censor-poking line of "Are you out of your Vulcan mind!" in "The Gamesters of Triskeleon". I'm sure someone looked that up in their Funk'n'Wagnalls, for the same cause and reason, probably Ruth Buzzi... :devil: (And yes, I will date myself. It makes Saturday nights less lonely... :guffaw:So glad it's Saturday and there's an Uncle Arthur marathon on Betwitched tonight... )

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Had the child not been stoned to death along with Miramanee (holy ****, that's one dour ending for a show that's supposed to be optimistic. Season 3 has rather a lot of dour endings, but even with that it's another eyebrow-raiser that this one ends with the curtain going down on not one but two murders), how would Kirk get out of this one? Just up and leave? The episode didn't do much to address these, but at least it shows Kirk being overjoyed with this development.

(To compare, it makes one wonder what the heck happened with Carol and David Marcus... apart from Kirk not suffering from amnesia... well, probably, I'm sure there's a novel or fan fiction that dares to go where nobody sane would dare and suggest who knows what, apart from the most obvious bit.)​

Of course, with Spock getting happy and jiggy in "This Side of Paradise", it was about time Kirk got a chance at it too. Also, can anyone here imagine an otherwise curmudgeonly Dr McCoy being happy? I know, I'll have nightmares over that notion for weeks too.

The episode also plays out a wide passage of time - 2 months - is nicely intertwined, helping to build the setup for Kirk and Miramanee.

And, of course, the obelisk is the entrance to a control center whose technology malfunctioned and just at the right time. But let's put that aside -- the galaxy is a big place. The closer you get to its gooey nougat center, the greater the density of stars, planets, meteoroids, radiation fields, solar hot dog cookers that did little more than to attract those filthy and disease-carrying bugs to the picnic, and so on, can be found. Which means, without something like an asteroid zapper, one would never know how many licks it takes to get the the center of this galactic tootsie pop. And trust me, their world would never know... (dang, that was a tad bleak, even by my warped standards...)

Also, if a hot dog is meteor than how is a rock meatier? :guffaw:

But, yeah, for a third season of a show placed into the worst possible time slot, it's still a thought-provoking one. As well as using very adult themes (death to mother and child by very brutal stoning isn't exactly kid-friendly fluffy bunny stuff...) It's trying to do so much in 49 minutes, if not too much, but it's not without its good points and thought-provoking scenes.


What's left waiting at the altar and even I wouldn't elope with any of them... though my ex might:

TNG, Season 2: “The Outrageous Okona”
TNG Feature: “Star Trek Nemesis”
VOY, Season 3: “Favorite Son”
 
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I think everyone by now knows I will save a Data episode, so "Data's Day" is my first save of this game.

A lot went on here... the O'Briens' wedding, the Romulan situation, Data trying to find a gift and learning to dance. Even a birth occured. And it all worked! Having it told from the perspective of the only person who can be awake and alert every minute of every day was fitting.


It's in such an oddball format, how can one not like this one? Especially with the spy., where dialogue sells the hints to the audience better than it does any of the characters figuring it out. But we still get wound up over it all, so it's all good. It's not season one where Wesley is made to look better by writing all the adults look like total twits... it is possible to aim a show at children without the heavhanded fertilizer fresh from the cattle...

And, of course, the unintended blooper at 13:13 in when a little bug is crawling inside Spot's transparent aluminum feeding dish... yuck... but it's another morsel of protein for the obligate carnivore so it is what it is... and that's why blu-ray rules. :devil:


My next save going to be each of the ones just done. And for a lot of the same reasons!

So now I go to my next, next, next, next, next one, which is "THE HOUSE OF QUARK".

A great Quark adventure, with priceless scenes such as him explaining finance to the High Council.

But my real reason is O'Brien. He just wanted to make his wife happy. He did all sorts of things to make this happen, ultimately going with Bashir's advice. And THAT was a great dialogue exchange.

How can anyone not love Miles O'Brien? A good man, through and through.

That was a great episode, especially for your reasons cited. It easily could have flopped but each passing moment had me liking it more and more.
 
I think the reason we didn't get the actual Tom and B'Elanna wedding was because we saw their duplicates' wedding in "COURSE: OBLIVION".

My final save here is "The Outrageous Okona". It's not a good episode, but it has Data's story about trying to be funny. I like that.

And frankly, I would NEVER choose either the others over an episode that has a Data story. And yes, NEMESIS has him in a big way, but his death was a horrible way to end his character, and among the MANY things wrong about that movie, I CAN NEVER FORGIVE IT FOR DOING THAT TO DATA!!!!!


TNG Feature: “Star Trek Nemesis”
VOY, Season 3: “Favorite Son”
 
Well then I'm gonna save Nemesis.

I'm not a fan of the Trek movies as a whole, but I think that Nemesis isn't half bad for a Star Trek movie.
Pretty much all the characters get to do something, that Romulan. Domatra and Tal'aura were characters I would have liked to see more of, and Tal'aura had purple hair for no apprent reason, that's always a plus.
And well, even if it was several years to late to make any impact on the 90s incarnation of the Franchise (and I still find it unlikely that a relationship that was dormant for so long, suddenly would lead to a marriage again), at least Riker and Troi finally tied the knot.


VOY, Season 3: “Favorite Son” WINS
 
I think the reason we didn't get the actual Tom and B'Elanna wedding was because we saw their duplicates' wedding in "COURSE: OBLIVION".

My final save here is "The Outrageous Okona". It's not a good episode, but it has Data's story about trying to be funny. I like that.

And frankly, I would NEVER choose either the others over an episode that has a Data story. And yes, NEMESIS has him in a big way, but his death was a horrible way to end his character, and among the MANY things wrong about that movie, I CAN NEVER FORGIVE IT FOR DOING THAT TO DATA!!!!!

^^this

And, yeah, devoting Data to an aspect of the human condition wasn't a bad idea in of itself in TNG... the execution, however, was a bit - ehrm - outrageous(ly bad)...

Here's my original entry, had I done my previous entries sooner enough:


Come and knock on our door...

TNG, Season 2: “The Outrageous Okona”​

Most television shows do blend other genres from time to time. Early-TNG finding its footing, they thought it would be absolutely brill to incorporate comedy. Not the Data subplot, which I'll get to later, but the main plot. Apart from Okona prat-falling over his jump rope-length hair, the whole A-plot is yanked directly from "Three's Company".

It would have been LESS cheesy if it turned out Okona was the daddy for every woman who appeared on screen. Which might be why they kept it to 1... plus half the Enterprise crew, noting a laughably bad continuity error in terms of cabin numbers and what deck they're claimed to be on...

Okona comes across like a dime store paint-by-numbers clone of Riker. And Riker isn't outrageous either. How is Okona outrageous anyway? By oinking up to half the ship's complement or at least attempting to?! Ugh, this is pure cringe...

The B-plot had more potential. Data wants to be funny. Joe Piscopo had to blend ad-libbing with dialogue on screen. And there's something outrageous(ly bad) here. No, not the fact that Spiner and Goldberg have so much screen chemistry together, which is outrageous(ly good) but nowhere near the level needed to raise this ship out of the swamp, but here's what's outrageously bad:

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Disclaimer, anyone with a tape recorder in 1988 could have easily slowed this down to hear all of it. Or anyone with any Atari ST, Mac, Commodore Amiga computer with software sound editor. Maybe even a high end PC with newly released SoundBlaster card by 1990, fore being ubiquitous the PC clone was years behind the times...

But it turns out Okona is really a half-decent guy in the A-plot's other genre-bender, that of updating "Romeo and Juliet" for the 24th century. Which is also a fairly superficial update. I wonder how season 3 or 4 would have handled updating Romeo and Juliet... definitely not 5-onward, where they'd keep the two from meeting then turn to the camera and make a lame lecture about how trying to make peace is bad because it violated the prime directive. :\
 
The last time I saw the Okona episode (like a month ago or something, during lockdown) I was kind of wondering whether Okona was an attempt to create a Harry Mudd-type character for TNG?
If it was, it's a bummer that they botched it that badly, because the actor is very good looking and he was pretty decent in the Rocketeer.
 
I think the reason we didn't get the actual Tom and B'Elanna wedding was because we saw their duplicates' wedding in "COURSE: OBLIVION".
I'm not sure that is a particularly convincing excuse. However, if they would have simply had another wedding of people in their SF formals, the captain giving some not-so-pithy remarks, while gathering in whatever hall was available, I could have done without it.

OTOH, they could have had a charming little episode in which Belanna and Tom put together the ultimate destination wedding: researching customs and locales in the vicinity of Voyager, getting bids from extra-galactic caterers, etc.
 
The last time I saw the Okona episode (like a month ago or something, during lockdown) I was kind of wondering whether Okona was an attempt to create a Harry Mudd-type character for TNG?
If it was, it's a bummer that they botched it that badly, because the actor is very good looking and he was pretty decent in the Rocketeer.
Regardless of the merits of the actors or the b-story, the rituals in the episode are generic and rather archaic. It's a shotgun wedding, with stupid disputes over property and alliances.
 
"Favorite Son" is absolutely a worthy addition to our hall of "winner"Losers. Ugh, I may not have seen that one since the 90's! Though I'll be rewatching it soon enough, when the Delta Flyers podcast gets there...

Thanks all for playing! This was another of the ones I found particularly fun to watch unfold, for whatever reason. Great eliminations all!

Finalizing some new drafts now, I'll have one of those posted tomorrow for a new game, though not sure which one it'll be yet... hope to see you all there!

MOST DISLIKED "WINNER"LOSERS, 2020
"HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!": TOS, Season 1: "Miri"
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 2: "The Omega Glory"
WRITER D.C. FONTANA: TNG, Season 1: "Too Short A Season"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
TREK NOIR: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
SEASON PREMIERE: TNG, Season 7: "Descent, Part II"
PRIME DIRECTIVE: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Bloodlines"
LWAXANA: DS9, Season 1: "The Forsaken"
ROMANCE OF THE WEEK: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: VOY, Season 2: "Elogium"
CARDASSIANS: VOY, Season 2: "Investigations"
WEDDING: VOY, Season 3: "Favorite Son"
HOLIDAY: VOY, Season 4: "Day Of Honor"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Fair Haven"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
TIME TRAVEL/ANOMALY/LOOP: VOY, Season 6: “Fury”
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
Q: VOY, Season 7: "Q2"
BORG: VOY, Season 7: "Endgame"
LATIN TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
DIRECTOR LEVAR BURTON: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
2-HOUR/2-PART: ENT, Season 1 & 2: "Shockwave"
VISIT TO EARTH'S "PRESENT": ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG GUEST APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
KLINGONS: ENT, Season 2: "Marauders"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 2: "Marauders"
HALLUCINATION/ILLUSION: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
THR'S 100 GREATEST TREK EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
CAST CROSSOVER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DIS, Season 1: "What's Past Is Prologue"
INTRODUCTION OF RECURRING ALIENS: DIS, Season 2: "An Obol For Charon" (the jahSepp)
SECTION 31: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
RECYCLED TITLE: ST, Season 2: "Children Of Mars"
ROMULANS: PIC, Season 1: "Et in Arcadia Ego, Part 1"
COUPLE: PIC:
Jurati/Rios

TOTAL SHOW WINS
TAS & Movies - 0 wins
ST - 1 win each
TOS and PIC - 2 wins each
DS9 and DIS - 3 wins each
TNG - 7 wins
VOY and ENT - 12 wins each
 
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