Game The Most Disliked First Trek Episode (or Movie) Of The Year
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Oops I might have gotten confused with episode titles thinking it was later in the season.
The curse of streaming Trek and season-long plots, and forgetting what happens where.
The curse of streaming Trek and season-long plots, and forgetting what happens where.
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And "Chosen Realm" wins! I was actually rooting for "Despite Yourself", which I like much of, but I cannot forgive it for that Culber death. Even though he came back to life, I still consider that the ugliest Kill Your Gays story I've ever seen. I've certainly never felt so personally upset about one.
It still amazes me that the gay showrunner at the time gave all those interviews saying -- this is not a kill your gays story, I am a gay writer and I could never put fourth such a thing.
Yet it remains my personal Kill Your Gays lowpoint, for, like, all filmed entertainment I have ever seen. It's interesting when the writers intent is disconnected from the results to such an extreme extent.
It still amazes me that the gay showrunner at the time gave all those interviews saying -- this is not a kill your gays story, I am a gay writer and I could never put fourth such a thing.
Yet it remains my personal Kill Your Gays lowpoint, for, like, all filmed entertainment I have ever seen. It's interesting when the writers intent is disconnected from the results to such an extreme extent.
And as we sometimes do at the end of games -- SNAP MINI-GAME. I was inspired by the fact that this thread indirectly got me to watch "Firstborn" the other day for the first time in forever (way better than I remembered!) and @Vger23 's mentions of James Sloyan on page one of this thread.
THE MOST DISLIKED JAMES SLOYAN GUEST SPOT
TNG, Season 3: "The Defector" (Admiral Jarok)
TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn" (K'mtar/Alexander)
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
THE MOST DISLIKED JAMES SLOYAN GUEST SPOT
TNG, Season 3: "The Defector" (Admiral Jarok)
TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn" (K'mtar/Alexander)
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
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And I'm going to let my recency bias carry me and save "Firstborn." Yes, the cheesy Ren Faire Klingon festival is inexcusable. But I was actually kind of thrilled to rediscover that this ep had Lursa, B'Etor, and Quark, that was a fun "surprise."
It is interesting that this ep establishes a pregnancy for one of the sisters right before they die in "Generations." Did she give birth to the kid first?!?
I also feel much more charitably disposed to Brian Bonsall these days, now that my adult working life has involved me casting child actors for roles that require facial prosthetics, and the experience has me thinking prosthetic acting for minors should be illegal.
TNG, Season 3: "The Defector" (Admiral Jarok)
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
It is interesting that this ep establishes a pregnancy for one of the sisters right before they die in "Generations." Did she give birth to the kid first?!?
I also feel much more charitably disposed to Brian Bonsall these days, now that my adult working life has involved me casting child actors for roles that require facial prosthetics, and the experience has me thinking prosthetic acting for minors should be illegal.
TNG, Season 3: "The Defector" (Admiral Jarok)
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
Saving "The Defector".
Tight script, great plot and twists... among Ronald D. Moore's best, and this was I believe only his second episode in the franchise.
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
Tight script, great plot and twists... among Ronald D. Moore's best, and this was I believe only his second episode in the franchise.
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)
VOY, Season 1: "Jetrel" (Jetrel)
James Sloyan has played a few great roles in many memorable episodes.
I'll save Jetrel because the last time I saw it during The Great Rewatch, I'd forgotten how poignant it was. He and Ethan Philips knocked it out of the park.
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)[
I'll save Jetrel because the last time I saw it during The Great Rewatch, I'd forgotten how poignant it was. He and Ethan Philips knocked it out of the park.
DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate" (Dr. Mora Pol)
DS9, Season 5: "The Begotten" (Dr. Mora Pol)[
What's funny is that I told Sakonna that I predicted "Firstborn" would win, and "THE ALTERNATE" will be next to last.
Or, in this case, it was the alternate 'win'.
Or, in this case, it was the alternate 'win'.
I would have leaned towards Firstborn myself, though having rewatched it recently Alexander is strangely tolerable through.
There is no loser.
There is no loser.
Which is why I always say 'winner' of these competitions.
Yes, it strongly depends on the pre-selection of course (the smaller the sample, the higher the odds of variability). If we did a 'most disliked universally acclaimed Star Trek classic' the 'winner' probably would still be pretty good, and if we did a 'most liked universally reviled Star Trek episode', the first one eliminated would probably still be pretty bad. This actor apparently had the luck to appear in a limited number of well-liked episodes, even though his own acting would have contributed to that in no small part, of course.
Next up: "The Most Disliked Prime Directive Episode"
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, '22 - '23
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ANIMATED: TAS, Season 1: "The Eye Of The Beholder"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
WRITER D.C. FONTANA: TNG, Season 1: "Lonely Among Us"
WEDDING: TNG, Season 2: "The Outrageous Okona"
WRITER JERI TAYLOR: TNG, Season 4: "Suddenly Human"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
WRITER MICHAEL PILLER: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
DIRECTOR ALEXANDER SINGER: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
JAMES SLOYAN APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
BAJORAN: DS9, Season 6: "The Reckoning"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
DIRECTOR JAMES L. CONWAY: VOY, Season 2: "The 37's"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR LEVAR BURTON: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
NAMED FOR CHARACTER: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
FIRST EPISODE OF THE YEAR: ENT, Season 3: "Chosen Realm"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
"I'M AGING WRONG!": ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
J.G. HERTZLER APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 4: "Borderland"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
1ST SEASON: DIS, Season 1: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
EXIT OF A REGULAR: DIS, Season 1: "What's Past Is Prologue"
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, Season 1: "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, Season 1: "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, Season 2: "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
Q: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Alonzo Freeman
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TAS: 2 wins
TOS: 4 wins
PIC: 5 wins
VOY: 6 wins
DIS: 8 wins
DS9: 9 wins
TNG: 13 wins
ENT: 15 wins
MOST DISLIKED WINNERS, '22 - '23
WRITER GENE RODDENBERRY: TOS, Season 1: "Mudd's Women"
MAJEL BARRETT APPEARANCE: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
3RD SEASON: TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
'HEY, THIS PLANET IS JUST LIKE EARTH!': TOS, Season 3: "Plato's Stepchildren"
ANIMATED: TAS, Season 1: "The Eye Of The Beholder"
ROMULAN: TAS, Season 2: "The Practical Joker"
WRITER D.C. FONTANA: TNG, Season 1: "Lonely Among Us"
WEDDING: TNG, Season 2: "The Outrageous Okona"
WRITER JERI TAYLOR: TNG, Season 4: "Suddenly Human"
DIRECTOR WINRICH KOLBE: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
WRITER MICHAEL PILLER: TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
5TH SEASON: TNG, Season 5: "The Perfect Mate"
ROMANCE-OF-THE-WEEK: TNG, Season 6: "Aquiel"
KLINGON: TNG, Season 6: "Birthright, Part II"
DIRECTOR CLIFF BOLE: TNG, Season 7: "Liaisons"
DIRECTOR LES LANDAU: TNG, Season 7: "Dark Page"
DIRECTOR ALEXANDER SINGER: TNG, Season 7: "Homeward"
WRITER RONALD D. MOORE: TNG, Season 7: "Journey's End"
7TH SEASON: TNG, Season 7: "Firstborn"
JAMES SLOYAN APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 2: "The Alternate"
HOLIDAY: DS9, Season 3: "Meridian"
CARDASSIAN: DS9, Season 6: "Sons & Daughters"
MIRROR UNIVERSE: DS9, Season 6: "Resurrection"
BAJORAN: DS9, Season 6: "The Reckoning"
FERENGI: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
COMEDIC/LIGHT-HEARTED: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
6TH SEASON: DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
JEFFREY COMBS APPEARANCE: DS9, Season 7: "The Emperor's New Cloak"
DIRECTOR JAMES L. CONWAY: VOY, Season 2: "The 37's"
WRITER JOE MENOSKY: VOY, Season 5: "The Fight"
HOLODECK: VOY, Season 6: "Spirit Folk"
MAQUIS: VOY, Season 7: "Repression"
BARCLAY: VOY, Season 7: "Inside Man"
2-PART/DOUBLE EPISODE: VOY, Season 7: "Flesh And Blood"
RECYCLED TITLE: ENT, Season 1: "Terra Nova"
VAUGHN ARMSTRONG APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
2ND SEASON: ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
DIRECTOR LEVAR BURTON: ENT, Season 3: "Extinction"
DIRECTOR MIKE VEJAR: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
NAMED FOR CHARACTER: ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
FIRST EPISODE OF THE YEAR: ENT, Season 3: "Chosen Realm"
DIRECTOR DAVID LIVINGSTON: ENT, Season 3: "Harbinger"
SEASON PREMIERE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
EVERY 47TH RELEASE: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
"I'M AGING WRONG!": ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
VISIT TO EARTH'S PAST: ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part II"
HOLLYWOOD REPORTER'S 100 BEST EPS: ENT, Season 4: "Home"
J.G. HERTZLER APPEARANCE: ENT, Season 4: "Borderland"
DIRECTOR ALLAN KROEKER: ENT, Season 4: "These Are The Voyages..."
1ST SEASON: DIS, Season 1: "Si Vis Pacem, Para Bellum"
EXIT OF A REGULAR: DIS, Season 1: "What's Past Is Prologue"
TIME TRAVEL/TRAVELER/LOOP/ANOMALY: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
FEMALE DIRECTOR: DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
SEASON FINALE ANTAGONIST: DIS, Season 2: Control
DIRECTOR JONATHAN FRAKES: DIS, Season 3: "There Is A Tide..."
47TH EPISODES: DIS, Season 4: "The Examples"
4TH SEASON: DIS, Season 4: "The Galactic Barrier"
4TH & 7TH EPISODES: ST, Season 2: "Ask Not"
TREK NOIR: PIC, Season 1: "Broken Pieces"
CAST CROSSOVER: PIC, Season 1: "Et In Arcardia Ego, Part 1"
GUINAN: PIC, Season 2: "Monsters"
BORG/XB: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
Q: PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
COUPLE: LD, Carol Freeman/Alonzo Freeman
REGULAR CHARACTER: PRO, Drednok
TRIPLE WINNERS
DS9, Season 6: "Profit And Lace"
ENT, Season 4: "Storm Front, Part I"
DOUBLE WINNERS
TOS, Season 3: "And The Children Shall Lead"
TNG, Season 5: "The Masterpiece Society"
ENT, Season 2: "Shockwave, Part II"
ENT, Season 3: "Rajiin"
DIS, Season 2: "Perpetual Infinity"
PIC, Season 2: "Mercy"
TOTAL SHOW WINS
SNW & Movies: 0 wins
ST, LD & PRO: 1 win each
TAS: 2 wins
TOS: 4 wins
PIC: 5 wins
VOY: 6 wins
DIS: 8 wins
DS9: 9 wins
TNG: 13 wins
ENT: 15 wins
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