The Master

[The]

How many incarnations have we seen?

Counting the series, novels, comics, and audios, how many Master's have been represented, and (in the appropriate cases) who was the actor/voice? And what was the regeneration order?

I've always thought that Roger Delgado was the 13th Master, since Ainely's incarnation had to "steal" a body, as did the Eric Roberts version. But, who was it that was executed (played by Gordon Tipple) at the beginning of The Enemy Within (TV movie)? Was it Ainely's version? Or a new one?

Any great "Master" experts out there? Give me some info!

 

[wamdue]

well the first master we saw was kid we saw in the Last of the Time Lords, I assume him to be the first theMaster, due to him being a kid, then the 12th Doctor was Robert Delgado, the 13th was played by Geoffrey Beevers & Peter Pratt, the 14th Master was cerated when the Master took over the body of Tremas as played by Anthony Ainley.

then possibly he stole another body (played by Gordon Tipple) at the start of TVM, he took over the body of Bruce as played by Eric Roberts, this version was sucked into the Eye of Harmony, during the Time War the Time Lords resurrected him, possibly with new regenerations, I suspect Sir Derek Jacobi, was the first or those new regernations, he then used the Chameleon Arch to become Professor Yana, until he was set free and regenerated into John Simm, and using an alias of Harold Saxon became Prime Minister, took a wife (Lucy) and created the Toclerfane , before being shot by Lucy, and apparntly dying in that body.

so the Master has had at least 18 lives.

 

[Worf2DS9]

So should we read any significance into the Master's ring being snatched up from the remains of his funeral pyre, accompanied by maniacal laughter? Could the ring be a sort of horcrux for him, possibly foreshadowing a resurrection at some point?

 

[AdmiralGarak]

In the audios, they've used the Beevers incarnation of the Master, opposite the 7th Doctor.

The only 'new' Master they've used, to my memory, is from the Unbound audio "Sympathy for the Devil". He was played by the anagram-a-rific "Sam Kisgart".

 

[The Nth Doctor]

So should we read any significance into the Master's ring being snatched up from the remains of his funeral pyre, accompanied by maniacal laughter? Could the ring be a sort of horcrux for him, possibly foreshadowing a resurrection at some point?

Oh, absolutely. The Master has survived far worse. It's one of those inalienable truths: The Master will never completely die.

 

[Sci]

during the Time War the Time Lords resurrected him, possibly with new regenerations, I suspect Sir Derek Jacobi, was the first or those new regernations, he then used the Chameleon Arch to become Professor Yana, until he was set free and regenerated into John Simm, and using an alias of Harold Saxon became Prime Minister, took a wife (Lucy) and created the Toclerfane , before being shot by Lucy, and apparntly dying in that body.

Couple of nitpicks:

1) The Time Lords definitely gave him a new set of regenerations when they resurrected him. After all, he was able to regenerate from the Jacobi Master to the Simm Master.

2) I doubt that he was resurrected as the Jacobi Master. I think it's far more likely that the Master triggered his own regeneration when he escaped into the Nearly End of the Universe timeframe. Yana describes having been found as a naked child on the coast of the Silver Devestation; I see no reason to presume this to be false. I rather imagine that whatever mechanism the Master used to travel to the Utopia timeframe triggered his regeneration into a small child before being transformed into a Human by the chameleon arch. Yana then lived out, apparently, a full Human lifespan before the watch was opened and the Master reasserted himself.

3) The Master did not create the Toclafane; they created themselves. The Master merely gave them the new name and a means to travel back to the 21st Century from circa The Year 100 Trillion.

 

[wamdue]

I had assumed that Yana remembering being a baby, was part of the story created by the Arch, like John Smiths back story in Human Nature

 

[Stevil2001]

Where's David McIntee when we need him? First Frontier creates a new Master, I believe, but I've never read it myself.

The eighth Doctor comic strips also have a new post-TVM Master, though I forget the exact circumstances.

 

[wamdue]

^ I just covered the ones on TV, the ones in books are a whole other story

 

[Winterwind]

I had assumed that Yana remembering being a baby, was part of the story created by the Arch, like John Smiths back story in Human Nature

That's what I'd assumed too. It makes sense.

 

[Sci]

I had assumed that Yana remembering being a baby, was part of the story created by the Arch, like John Smiths back story in Human Nature

That's what I'd assumed too. It makes sense.

It's entirely possible, but it's my understanding that Russell T. Davies has said that his intent as a writer was that the Master had lived out an entire life as Yana.

 

[Turbo]

Where's David McIntee when we need him? First Frontier creates a new Master, I believe, but I've never read it myself.

Indeed it does, though this Master only appears twice in the New Adventures, I believe.

There's a number of alternate Masters in the Eighth Doctor Adventures, none of whom are explicitly identified as such.

Time's Champion says that the War Chief was an early incarnation of the Master.

 

[YuWanker]

1) The Time Lords definitely gave him a new set of regenerations when they resurrected him. After all, he was able to regenerate from the Jacobi Master to the Simm Master.

Nope, sorry try again, it never stated this in any way. I doubt the TL's are that giving anyway. Considering Romana was ElPresadenti I doubt he got much at all, let face it he was nuts and hey all new it. The fact is however we have seen timelords steal regenerations before and after being sucked into the eye well who knows... look what Rose did. Once the time lords are gone who is to say that Regens will be caped at 13?

 

[Sci]

1) The Time Lords definitely gave him a new set of regenerations when they resurrected him. After all, he was able to regenerate from the Jacobi Master to the Simm Master.

Nope, sorry try again, it never stated this in any way.

Well, the chameleon arch in "Human Nature" is described as having the capacity to re-write a Time Lord's biology and imbue his/her consciousness into a fob watch. It is not described as having the capacity to translate a non-Time Lord into a Time Lord except in reversing its original process. And when the process was reversed on Yana/The Master, he became a Time Lord again (witness his regeneration and the Doctor's repeated references to him as a Time Lord).

So the preponderance of evidence to me indicates that the Time Lords almost certainly gave him a Time Lord body and new set of regenerations (similar to their offer in The Five Doctors).

I doubt the TL's are that giving anyway. Considering Romana was ElPresadenti I doubt he got much at all,

Do we know, canonically, that Romana was High Council President during the Time War?

The fact is however we have seen timelords steal regenerations before and after being sucked into the eye well who knows... look what Rose did.

Rose looked into the Heart of the TARDIS, not the Eye of Harmony. So I'm not convinced that the situations are similar.

Plus, the Doctor said in "Utopia" that if a Time Lord had looked into the Heart of the TARDIS, he/she would have been transformed into a vengeful god.

Once the time lords are gone who is to say that Regens will be caped at 13?

It always sounded like a biological cap, not a political one, albeit one that can be overcome with access to advanced Time Lord technology.

 

[YuWanker]

It always sounded like a biological cap, not a political one, albeit one that can be overcome with access to advanced Time Lord technology.

[FONT=&quot]I see that completely the other way, more like a term limit to stop any living creature from becoming to powerful, or two knowledgeable. We have seen in the past that it can be circumvented and you yourself reference the time lords offering to essentially "reset" the masters regeneration limit in TotTL.

I tend to think that the eye is the hart of the tardis however this has never been stated outright so I cant say it's fact simply my interpretation. I would always prefer to think that the Master obtained his new lease on life the way he always has in the past and that’s through deceit and treachery, it just makes him a better villain IMO

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I had assumed that Yana remembering being a baby, was part of the story created by the Arch, like John Smiths back story in Human Nature

That's what I'd assumed too. It makes sense.

It's entirely possible, but it's my understanding that Russell T. Davies has said that his intent as a writer was that the Master had lived out an entire life as Yana.

This is the first I've heard that (unless my memory is failing me again). Where did he say that?

 

[YuWanker]

I think it might have been alluded to in one of the commentary tracks however that not withstanding it is not a large logical leap, when he reverted back to a time lord he was still the older wiser Jacobi, who I would have assumed would have been much younger when he took human form, the people around him at least seemed to have known him for a good few years.

 

[Sci]

That's what I'd assumed too. It makes sense.

It's entirely possible, but it's my understanding that Russell T. Davies has said that his intent as a writer was that the Master had lived out an entire life as Yana.

This is the first I've heard that (unless my memory is failing me again). Where did he say that?

I had thought that the Wikipedia article on the Master had contained that bit of trivia, but I can't seem to find it now. Either it was removed, or Davies mentioned it in the "Utopia" commentary track, or I imagined the whole thing!

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I listened to the commentary track shortly after the episode came out, but I don't remember Davies saying that. But then there's my crappy memory.

 

[YuWanker]

It's entirely possible, but it's my understanding that Russell T. Davies has said that his intent as a writer was that the Master had lived out an entire life as Yana.

This is the first I've heard that (unless my memory is failing me again). Where did he say that?

I had thought that the Wikipedia article on the Master had contained that bit of trivia, but I can't seem to find it now. Either it was removed, or Davies mentioned it in the "Utopia" commentary track, or I imagined the whole thing!

Wikipedia is full of lies and misdirections NEVER believe what you read on that site unless you have a credible primary source to back it up. In this case however I remember something about it as well... I will try and find out